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Monroe News Posted - 05/04/2012 : 4:27:37 PM
The Public Works Committee has been reviewing water supply options over the last year. At their most recent meeting they reviewed the proposed amendment to our existing water supply agreement with Butler County.

The Agreement will allow the City to take advantage of lower overall water production and purchase pricing that was reflective in the existing agreement. The agreement also calls for the decommissioning of the City’s water treatment facility.

The Public Works Committee took into account the cost to continue to produce water out of the facility and the $1 Million cost of improvements needed to do so.

The city manager is recommending that an amendment be adopted as an emergency to take advantage of the cost reductions at the earliest possible date.

Sources: Bill Brock, Public Works Committee
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Doc Posted - 05/07/2012 : 2:32:36 PM
I really can't argue with the point that you're making and it's my intent to do just that in the future.
John Beagle Posted - 05/07/2012 : 2:08:37 PM
"Admittedly, without knowing the entire staffing makeup of the Public Works Department, it's hard to say if we are under staff or over staffed." - Doc

Replace 'public works department' with school district staff and you have the same answer I hear from board members.

Maybe its time for board and councilmen to find out first hand. I remember when Mike Irwin tried to do that, he had the gall to drop in unannounced and look around the Monroe school campus. As you can guess, everyone was really happy and accommodating to Mike. Afterwards when he made his report to the board, everyone told him just how much they appreciated his looking into things. He was encouraged to continue his investigation and reporting. And because he was encouraged he uncovered an accounting mistake that could have cost the district millions of tax dollars. Everyone lived happily after.

Doc Posted - 05/07/2012 : 1:15:55 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
[br]As much as I respect Mr. Arthur, he is a bureaucrat. And the #1 thing bureaucrats do is to build bureaucracies. No one in government manager wants to lose staff.

From Mr. Arthur's comment I would only have to assume that currently he is understaffed and work that has to get done is not getting done. Otherwise cutting an entire enterprise out of an organization would bring labor cost savings.

Perhaps the public works department is overworked. Installing new meters will be labor intensive. That is until that project is completed. Then what? Find work, make work or layoff?

We know how bureaucracies work. I'm guessing finding work will be the priority over cutting costs or keeping costs down.

Well, you're not really cutting out an entire enterprise. There would still be the distribution portion to repair, maintain, monitor, etc.

Admittedly, without knowing the entire staffing makeup of the Public Works Department, it's hard to say if we are under staff or over staffed. I will have to rely on those in charge of those departments and our City Manager to recommend staffing levels.
John Beagle Posted - 05/07/2012 : 11:43:43 AM
As much as I respect Mr. Arthur, he is a bureaucrat. And the #1 thing bureaucrats do is to build bureaucracies. No one in government management wants to lose staff.

From Mr. Arthur's comment I would only have to assume that currently he is understaffed and work that has to get done is not getting done. Otherwise cutting an entire enterprise out of an organization would bring labor cost savings.

Perhaps the public works department is overworked. Installing new meters will be labor intensive. That is until that project is completed. Then what? Find work, make work or layoff?

We know how bureaucracies work. I'm guessing finding work will be the priority over cutting costs or keeping costs down.
Doc Posted - 05/07/2012 : 11:18:15 AM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
[br]So I take that as a no. No people will be layed off due to the decommissioning of the water treatment facility, right?

I don't have the definitive answer on the long-range plans but here is the discussion from our meeting minutes:

"Mr. Kelley asked how much additional funding will be recognized with the elimination of some of the overtime. Mr. Arthur replied $27,000 per year. Mr. Kelley asked what will happen with the staff when the plant is decommissioned. Mr. Arthur advised there is plenty to do with distribution and other work they should be doing now."

John Beagle Posted - 05/07/2012 : 10:55:13 AM
So I take that as a no. No people will be layed off due to the decommissioning of the water treatment facility, right?
Doc Posted - 05/07/2012 : 09:43:59 AM
There is an amazing amount of work to be done around the city. We currently have a federal mandate to upgrade our water meters (techi-speak: metering wireless bandwidth has been narrowed), there will be work required to decommission the water treatment plant and prepare for full-on Butler County supply, GIS mapping updates, and many many other things that they can and should be doing.

The one thing I am really excited about, when discussing manpower, is the removal of the required overtime that has been needed to maintain the water treatment plant.
John Beagle Posted - 05/07/2012 : 09:36:24 AM
Will we be losing any city employees as a result?

As I understand th emen work at the facility also work elsewhere. But on average its a two man 7 day a week job.
Doc Posted - 05/07/2012 : 09:07:49 AM
Just popping in to add a couple cents to the conversation.

I really like this plan. It removes a lot of risks from our preparation and distribution system, increases our long-term capacity, improves our water quality, removes out the "take or pay" portion of the contract, reduces our cost of service, and saves us a LOT of money by not having to maintain and upgrade our facilities.
JacobTyler Posted - 05/06/2012 : 12:41:20 AM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by MFD50[/i]
[br]We are currently on Butler Co. Water on the west side of the city. The quality is so much better than the Monroe water we use to get when we first built here. Had to replace my water heater every five years until they moved us to Middletown and then Butler Co. water. That was about 10 years ago and I have not had to replace one since. Also our faucets do not clog up like they use to.



AKA, bad enough that it earned the moniker "Monroe Water"
MFD50 Posted - 05/05/2012 : 08:48:29 AM
We are currently on Butler Co. Water on the west side of the city. The quality is so much better than the Monroe water we use to get when we first built here. Had to replace my water heater every five years until they moved us to Middletown and then Butler Co. water. That was about 10 years ago and I have not had to replace one since. Also our faucets do not clog up like they use to.
Dannyboy Posted - 05/04/2012 : 4:41:52 PM
I don't know much about our water supply. Would this mean we would get all of our water from Butler County rather than our own supply? How does the quality compare?

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