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Darrick Murphy Posted - 10/14/2012 : 1:18:40 PM
The Monroe School Board lost my trust in 2006. It was at a meeting on May 3rd, 2006 that I attended and addressed the Board about inaccuracies in the Five Year forecast submitted to the State of Ohio in November of 2005. The Board approved the Five Year forecast in October of 2005, although salary costs for that FY was already over by more than $100K per month. Based on that, the district would have dried up reserves and had a deficit. At the time Ms. Moon (Treasurer at the time) tried to justify the numbers, but anyone with a calculator and basic math skills could see the truth. I also asked questions regarding the revenue from the stadium for which I could not get answers for.

My reason for addressing the Board was the fact that they were seeking to add a new levy to the August ballot. I felt that the Board could not ask the taxpayers for more money when they could not prove that they were providing the proper financial oversight for the district. The district lacked transparency and still does. My concerns fell on deaf ears for all members of the Board except Mike Irwin. Mike was not yet a member of the Board at the time of the approval of the Five Year forecast.

Anyone living in the area at the time will recall Mike asking questions for the Board offices and not supporting the vote to place a levy on the August 2006 ballot. Mike’s efforts to do the job he was elected to do, earned him ridicule for many in the community.

I continued to attend Board meetings and when on several occasion questioned a pathetic nature of the Board meeting minutes I was told that they were fine. When I asked for transparency I was told point blank by a Board member that I was just trying to cause trouble.

Yes, I could have run for School Board, but seeing what Mike when through when he refused to join the “Yes Men Club” I choose not to. I stopped going to School Board meetings, I figured if the Board wants to run the district without taxpayer input, they can run it without taxpayer money as well and I became a NO voter.

The sins of the past have come to haunt the district today. I still see Board members currently in place that were there in 2005 and 2006. Proper oversight was not paid to the Treasurer’s Office then and I have not seen where anyone really cares. I feel that the slogan “Stand Proud for Monroe” is an insult to taxpayers, just be honest and say, “We want your money, but not your input".

I know this post will receive ridicule, but I am tired reading of the scare tactics of a 33 mil levy coming. I say, “Let it come”, I will have my tax dollars in my pocket while I wait. I have accepted that nothing will change, but I will vote NO next month, and when it is on the levy again I will do the same. If the Board does not wish to change how they do things, why should I?

Link to Board Meeting Minutes May 3, 2006
http://www.monroelocalschools.com/pdf/board_minutes/Board_Meeting_5_3_06.pdf
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Active in Monroe Posted - 10/17/2012 : 2:33:33 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Happy HarperValley Rez[/i]

PEOPLE! You got a lot more serious issues to worry about for your child than a freakin school levy! Like what example are you setting for them.... over and out on this issue.



I can't think of anything that is currently more important or pressing than the challenges facing my childrens education. As far as setting an example....supporting and fighting for their education is a pretty good example to set.

You're right that no one has the right to tell another person how to vote. Everyone has their own personal situations that will govern how they will end up voting. However...even with that said, don't kid yourself or anyone else that voting no on this issue is something good for the community.
slim Posted - 10/17/2012 : 2:13:02 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Bill[/i]
[br]Some of you are assuming private school is better. I suggest you dig deeper, talk to some parents who left those schools and uncover the problems with some of these schools. For several thousand a year, the school better be elite. Some around here are, in fact, well short of that.



I've been wanting to say this very thing for awhile now. Unfortunately, for some, Monroe is all they know. Being an "outsider", I will put my public education up against any Private school, anytime! The things I was offered and exposed to during just my 4 years of High School can't be touched by any Private school in this area. IB, AP, CP courses were available in abundance along with many technology courses, (Machine, Wood, Electricity, Small Engine, Photography, etc). Monroe at it's current state can't even think about offering anything close to what I had available to me 20 years ago. But that's no reason to not support the local schools. My kids are not HS age yet but will be soon and I want them to have every opportunity they can get. Mistakes were made but to continue to fight against them at this point is the biggest mistake of all. Remember, this district was under funded from Day 1!
Bill Posted - 10/17/2012 : 11:44:55 AM
Some of you are assuming private school is better. I suggest you dig deeper, talk to some parents who left those schools and uncover the problems with some of these schools. For several thousand a year, the school better be elite. Some around here are, in fact, well short of that.
Itsforthekids Posted - 10/17/2012 : 11:31:12 AM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by cmsquare[/i]
[br]You see that's the thing.

I don't have kids in the district.

Harpers kids? I'm not sure what you are talking about.



quote:
[i]Originally posted by Itsforthekids[/i]
[br]Take your bullying money and put it towards private education for your kids. Harpers kids have done well with private education.

quote:
[i]Originally posted by cmsquare[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by zapp2525[/i]
[br]People will believe what they want to regardless of the answer and who it came from.

The problem there are a ton of statements flying around, hard to tell what the truth is anymore.

My vote is simply to give the board one more shot to get this right, and if they piss it away I'm only out $35 a month for 5 years. But if they get it right we as a community are better.

It's a risk worth taking for me.



Spoken like someone who is thick in the head. LOL

I kid....I'm in for my $35 as well.


I'll kick in another $5 a month to stop bullying. LOL








We have been told that her kids go to private school, and that it is better then Monroe Local Schools

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Care enough to get them the VERY best....Private School...
just sayin





cmsquare Posted - 10/17/2012 : 11:13:25 AM
You see that's the thing.

I don't have kids in the district.

Harpers kids? I'm not sure what you are talking about.



quote:
[i]Originally posted by Itsforthekids[/i]
[br]Take your bullying money and put it towards private education for your kids. Harpers kids have done well with private education.

quote:
[i]Originally posted by cmsquare[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by zapp2525[/i]
[br]People will believe what they want to regardless of the answer and who it came from.

The problem there are a ton of statements flying around, hard to tell what the truth is anymore.

My vote is simply to give the board one more shot to get this right, and if they piss it away I'm only out $35 a month for 5 years. But if they get it right we as a community are better.

It's a risk worth taking for me.



Spoken like someone who is thick in the head. LOL

I kid....I'm in for my $35 as well.


I'll kick in another $5 a month to stop bullying. LOL



Itsforthekids Posted - 10/17/2012 : 10:32:50 AM
Take your bullying money and put it towards private education for your kids. Harpers kids have done well with private education.

quote:
[i]Originally posted by cmsquare[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by zapp2525[/i]
[br]People will believe what they want to regardless of the answer and who it came from.

The problem there are a ton of statements flying around, hard to tell what the truth is anymore.

My vote is simply to give the board one more shot to get this right, and if they piss it away I'm only out $35 a month for 5 years. But if they get it right we as a community are better.

It's a risk worth taking for me.



Spoken like someone who is thick in the head. LOL

I kid....I'm in for my $35 as well.


I'll kick in another $5 a month to stop bullying. LOL

cmsquare Posted - 10/17/2012 : 09:09:31 AM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by zapp2525[/i]
[br]People will believe what they want to regardless of the answer and who it came from.

The problem there are a ton of statements flying around, hard to tell what the truth is anymore.

My vote is simply to give the board one more shot to get this right, and if they piss it away I'm only out $35 a month for 5 years. But if they get it right we as a community are better.

It's a risk worth taking for me.



Spoken like someone who is thick in the head. LOL

I kid....I'm in for my $35 as well.


I'll kick in another $5 a month to stop bullying. LOL
zapp2525 Posted - 10/17/2012 : 09:02:48 AM
People will believe what they want to regardless of the answer and who it came from.

The problem there are a ton of statements flying around, hard to tell what the truth is anymore.

My vote is simply to give the board one more shot to get this right, and if they piss it away I'm only out $35 a month for 5 years. But if they get it right we as a community are better.

It's a risk worth taking for me.
Happy HarperValley Rez Posted - 10/17/2012 : 08:50:40 AM
Cheese n RIce already!
Some people are too dense to get the point.
The point is not that kids have it better - I would hope to God they did !
The point is that if your child is interested in an education - they find a way to make the most of what they have or the parents BUY them (with their own money)the education they want them to have.

The community still has trust issues and rightfully so!
The information is presented by anonymous posters at best.
Example: Someone questioned the lights for a pee wee game.
Another poster says "I spoke to the whoever of Pee Wee and they paid for every thing..so there" (childish response but you get it)
So because 1 unknown asks a question & another person counters - we are to believe poster #2 has the facts? Just because they say it is so? (Point: Someone in charge should be providing the info and signing off on it...ie: "I'm Bam Bam Rubble and I approved this msg")

The thing I have learned about this community from all of this crap about the levy is that there are a LOT of people who will use "bully" tactics to get what they want. Shameful!

Allow people to have a difference of opinion and move on already!
NO ONE has the right to tell anyone HOW to use their vote.
Its theirs - like it or not.
Bickering, belittling, accusing, name calling, etc...

PEOPLE! You got a lot more serious issues to worry about for your child than a freakin school levy! Like what example are you setting for them.... over and out on this issue.
zapp2525 Posted - 10/17/2012 : 08:15:59 AM
Shocking ............the stance of some is because the kids today have it better than what they had.
cmsquare Posted - 10/17/2012 : 07:51:19 AM
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johnwells Posted - 10/17/2012 : 12:04:16 AM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by StormKnight[/i]
[br]@johnwells. Sorry for being short on my response. I read that earlier today and thought the question came from someone else.



????????
StormKnight Posted - 10/16/2012 : 11:25:18 PM
That was strange.... how did I triple post?

Addendum:
Figured it out. My phone's browser was set to the submit page so everytime I entered the browser it posted.
johnwells Posted - 10/16/2012 : 10:36:53 PM
Btw SWC thanks for the link to the five year forecast.
SWC Posted - 10/16/2012 : 10:23:44 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by StormKnight[/i]
[br]

Maybe, I have no idea when the fiscal year for the school district starts/ends and am too tired to look it up right now.





It begins on July 1st of each year.
StormKnight Posted - 10/16/2012 : 10:17:56 PM

Maybe, I have no idea when the fiscal year for the school district starts/ends and am too tired to look it up right now.

johnwells Posted - 10/16/2012 : 9:58:52 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by StormKnight[/i]
[br]

After reading the documents on the school website, those were simply cuts after the levy failure in August. For all the cuts for this year, you can go back to last April so you can include the $1,513,859.71.



These cuts are BEFORE all of the calculation I have cited previously.



*edited for clarity



So in total about $1.9 million has been cut from this fiscal year? This fiscal year was my original question, I should have made that clearer in the first post.
StormKnight Posted - 10/16/2012 : 9:49:21 PM

After reading the documents on the school website, those were simply cuts after the levy failure in August. For all the cuts for this year, you can go back to last April so you can include the $1,513,859.71.



These cuts are BEFORE all of the calculation I have cited previously.



*edited for clarity
johnwells Posted - 10/16/2012 : 9:37:16 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by StormKnight[/i]
[br]@johnwells. Sorry for being short on my response. I read that earlier today and thought the question came from someone else.



Your response is not a problem, It's how most respond when a question about this is ask.
I'm more disappointed to have it confirmed that less than 2% of the spending has been cut. I was thinking it was more than double that.
StormKnight Posted - 10/16/2012 : 8:26:57 PM

If you are truly interested the answers are not difficult to find. This is in the Monroe Local School District Fiscal Year 2011 Audit Report.


BTW, what you are referring to as to bond fund is called the Debt Services Fund. Please note the words interfund loan. For full details of where the money went, feel free to read the document.



General Fund. Fund balance deficit at June 30, 2011 was ($5,800,264). The
deficit grew during the fiscal year $2,372,793 primarily due to expenditures exceeding revenues, requiring INTERFUND loans from other funds to cover cash shortfalls.



Debt Service Fund. The Debt Service Fund had a fund balance at June 30,
2011 of $3,569,915, an increase of $976,184 over the prior fiscal year. The Debt Service Fund is used to accumulate resources to retire the School District’s general obligation bonds.



Couple that with the drop in expected revenue (click here) and now we are in the current situation.


*edited for broken link
bobpreston Posted - 10/16/2012 : 6:40:29 PM
The money came from the tax payers bond fund, guessing the levy is not to be used to pay our money back. Just needed to keep up the wasteful spending we will get hit later on the bond fund they will then tell you dont look to the past, but here today that is our future of waste in the school system.
The school owes the tax payers $4million and to be begging for more is the actions of shameful children.
StormKnight Posted - 10/16/2012 : 6:34:44 PM
@johnwells. Sorry for being short on my response. I read that earlier today and thought the question came from someone else.
StormKnight Posted - 10/16/2012 : 5:38:33 PM

Simplifying math to explain complex issues leads to fuzziness, but where do you think the large deficit comes from? I believe we owe money to the State and must pay back the accounts where the money was taken from.



Sorry for the lack of citations. I am out at the soccer field.
bobpreston Posted - 10/16/2012 : 5:00:36 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by StormKnight[/i]
[br]

So let us do the math. We owe 2.2 million and have a deficit of 2 million a year for 5 years.


2.2+2+2+2+2+2=12.2


The levy should generate 12.5



So were is the funding to pay back the money they illegally spent that was for the school building or is there gonna be another levy after this one passes. Your math is fuzzy and leaves out the $4million the school illegally spent.
outdoormom Posted - 10/16/2012 : 4:31:27 PM
I just got confirmation from a current pee wee football board member that the pee wee football board approved and paid for the lights that game. So there you go!
I'd suggest getting informed before you make big decisions that could impact the lives of the children in our community.

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Stewie[/i]
[br]I'm sure the pee wee football proceeds do not come close to paying the electric bill for the lights.

At one time, Mike Irwin did a study on how much it cost to run the lights. It was thousands of dollars.

I would think that playing in the day time where they could look up and see Mom and Dad would be just as exciting. Good grief, this was not a pro game.

We need to keep things in perspective.

The current board needs to set up accountability for finances and stick to it. Many people have lost their jobs, taken pay cuts, etc. Higher taxes is not an attraction to live in Monroe. Don't forget that the kids are in school for the education. How many pro football players, etc. have graduated from Monroe. Probably more doctors and lawyers have.

I am not against the activities. I feel they are important. I'm questioning the money spent. When my daughter played softball, she had 2 new uniforms on the JV team and 2 new uniforms the next year on the varsity team. It always seemed like they were in the mode "we have the money, let's spend it".

I get the impression that is how the board has operated in the past and why we are in the mess we are in.

I wish Mike Irwin would run again. I can understand why he doesn't. It was horrible how they treated him when he was on the board. If they had listened to him, Monroe Local Schools would not be in the shape they are now.

I would love to have a VOTE FOR MIKE sign in my yard.




cmsquare Posted - 10/16/2012 : 4:18:14 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Stewie[/i]
[br]I'm sure the pee wee football proceeds do not come close to paying the electric bill for the lights.

At one time, Mike Irwin did a study on how much it cost to run the lights. It was thousands of dollars.

I would think that playing in the day time where they could look up and see Mom and Dad would be just as exciting. Good grief, this was not a pro game.

We need to keep things in perspective.

The current board needs to set up accountability for finances and stick to it. Many people have lost their jobs, taken pay cuts, etc. Higher taxes is not an attraction to live in Monroe. Don't forget that the kids are in school for the education. How many pro football players, etc. have graduated from Monroe. Probably more doctors and lawyers have.

I am not against the activities. I feel they are important. I'm questioning the money spent. When my daughter played softball, she had 2 new uniforms on the JV team and 2 new uniforms the next year on the varsity team. It always seemed like they were in the mode "we have the money, let's spend it".

I get the impression that is how the board has operated in the past and why we are in the mess we are in.

I wish Mike Irwin would run again. I can understand why he doesn't. It was horrible how they treated him when he was on the board. If they had listened to him, Monroe Local Schools would not be in the shape they are now.

I would love to have a VOTE FOR MIKE sign in my yard.






You can always take a petition out and run yourself Stewie. If you live in Monroe there is nothing stopping you. Perhaps you can fill the wide void left behind when Mike left office?
StormKnight Posted - 10/16/2012 : 4:17:31 PM

Yes, school funding is complicated (you can click here to get a brief overview if you desire) and unconstitutional, but the simple fact is that in the State Of Ohio, schools are funded through property taxes. No one likes it but it is the only way to RAISE REVENUE.


What very few seem to realize, is that even if we are cut to State Minimum Standards, we will be short in paying back the State the mandated amounts we are borrowing as it must be paid back within 24 months. The only way to get out of this is a yes vote to raise revenue. No cuts will be enough. Please read the minutes from the Financial Oversight Committee Meetings. They are about 2/3 of the way down on the page that is linked.


*edited for spelling
cmsquare Posted - 10/16/2012 : 4:13:05 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Happy HarperValley Rez[/i]
[br]
Sometimes a good soul gets NO credit for trying to help.




You want credit for suggesting we let the Local school system go to minimum levels and just send kids to private school instead?

This is your great contribution to the community you want credit for?

Hey I mean if you couldn't wear shorts to school these kids today should most definitely pay the price. That makes all the sense in the world.

johnwells Posted - 10/16/2012 : 4:11:22 PM


quote:
[i]Originally posted by StormKnight[/i]
[br]

OMG. Really? The cuts that have been made in the past year are on the FRONT PAGE of the Monroe Local Schools website. Please do not claim to be informed when information is so readily available.

For those who are curious, the District has cut $349,590 this year. For those not involved with the school, this includes vital things like paper, which I am helping to supply for my children's teachers.





I didn't claim to be informed...that's why I asked the question. So thanks for posting.
From the Middletown Journal July 30, 2012:
“(If the levy fails), the district will have to continue to borrow from the state for its finances,” she said. “Without the levy being passed, we’re still going to be short on our revenue, even though we made $2.2 million in cuts. The borrowing will continue, and if it doesn’t pass this time, we’ll have to go up with even more of a millage rate the next time, because of debt increases.”

zapp2525 Posted - 10/16/2012 : 3:26:44 PM
As a parents you should want better for your children, if not then shame on you.
OneWorld Posted - 10/16/2012 : 3:08:30 PM
The way everyone complains on here is just the same as it is in the politics we are watching with the presidential election. People have their opinion and know matter what facts you may show them you are not going to sway them one bit because they have drawn their line in the sand and will not move even if there is a hurricane heading their way.

I was a NO vote at one point early on, but have seen the true impact this can have on our community and future. Face it, this day was coming with or without the old BOE and we cannot just burying our head in the sand and pretend it will go away. Many people including our family cannot afford a private school education AND pay the current property taxes nor should I HAVE to just so my children can get a good education and have an opportunity to be successful in other areas of a well rounded life.

I'll be glad when election day is over, so I don't have to hear any more about the rhetoric of the politicians or this "community".
Happy HarperValley Rez Posted - 10/16/2012 : 3:07:36 PM
Happy HarperValley Rez Posted - 10/16/2012 : 3:06:59 PM
Awwwww shucks! And I have to miss that event because I am in a charity walk for Hospice....Dang! Priorities! I posted it here so others could get the info to attend...selfish me! Good thing I got that awesome education! And I graduated from the old HS...LOTS of money was tossed in to that when I attended or I would have had a sub-par education myself...geez! Never mind there was no heat on the upper floors of the old bldg, or air conditioning- anywhere, nor were we allowed to wear shorts when it was hot (cause that was not the proper learning attire), water fountains that didn't work, we the students had to clean up the greenhouse to use it because no funding went into Botany class when I attended, Mold and mildew in the band tunnel and room (we didn't know that was an issue back then), lead paint in the old building and asbestos falling from the ceiling tiles (hadn't heard that was bad yet either)...and somehow, I did still have PRIDE and get an education...Imagine that...
THANKS TAXPAYERS!

But MANY of my fellow Hornets have moved out of Monroe - into Middletown and Opted for Private education for their children for the reasons I listed.
I am simply providing options, support - for those who have children and are concerned about their education. But no - no, Bad me because I did not say if I am for or against the Levy. I have read all the info - I am an informed voter and am prepared for the vote in Nov. Berate someone who instead of bickering is trying to offer other options where the cost is all on YOU and how much YOU want to pay for your child's education. Not dependent on a stingy community expressing non-support for a levy.

Sometimes a good soul gets NO credit for trying to help.
PS: I have several friends who do LIVE in Monroe...with children IN the school system - and are HOMEOWNERS-who are voting NO - BAD BAD BAD PARENTS!

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Itsforthekids[/i]
[br]She will be all PRIDE Friday night at her 30th year reunion at the game against north ridge. Just think about all the taxpayers that supported Monroe schools for her to get her diploma yet now she refuses to do the same.



Stewie Posted - 10/16/2012 : 3:06:10 PM
I'm sure the pee wee football proceeds do not come close to paying the electric bill for the lights.

At one time, Mike Irwin did a study on how much it cost to run the lights. It was thousands of dollars.

I would think that playing in the day time where they could look up and see Mom and Dad would be just as exciting. Good grief, this was not a pro game.

We need to keep things in perspective.

The current board needs to set up accountability for finances and stick to it. Many people have lost their jobs, taken pay cuts, etc. Higher taxes is not an attraction to live in Monroe. Don't forget that the kids are in school for the education. How many pro football players, etc. have graduated from Monroe. Probably more doctors and lawyers have.

I am not against the activities. I feel they are important. I'm questioning the money spent. When my daughter played softball, she had 2 new uniforms on the JV team and 2 new uniforms the next year on the varsity team. It always seemed like they were in the mode "we have the money, let's spend it".

I get the impression that is how the board has operated in the past and why we are in the mess we are in.

I wish Mike Irwin would run again. I can understand why he doesn't. It was horrible how they treated him when he was on the board. If they had listened to him, Monroe Local Schools would not be in the shape they are now.

I would love to have a VOTE FOR MIKE sign in my yard.


Itsforthekids Posted - 10/16/2012 : 2:54:40 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Active in Monroe[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Happy HarperValley Rez[/i]
[br]If you really care about your kids...stop taking spending money on the ads, the signs, etc and get the paperwork started for a Private education.
More individual attention for the child, better resources, more structure, advanced classes and all while giving them a proper social setting to get acclimated with others... seems like a very attractive option!
And you do not need to count on other people's tax dollars to fund the type of education you want for your child!
WIN WIN!

quote:
[i]Originally posted by zapp2525[/i]
[br]The lack of support for the school, ^ that will be an option.





It is a definate shame that the supporters for the public education of our children have to do an all out media blitz just to convince the members of our own community to support their own school district. I agree the money would be better spent on other resources



I can totally agree with you on that one, but all political campaigns do that and is a shame. I think the point that is trying to be made is that after the last election that was voted down all the negative voters claimed that information was being withheld, no transparancy, and not knowing that it was even on the ballot.

In an attempt to get more information out there the Pro-Levy committee is blitzing information out there to try and get people to be an informed voter. Remember they are fighting against all the other blitzing of Obama, Romney, Yost, Sherrod Brown, etc. for your time.

It is a tough political season, and education for the kids of Monroe should rank right up there with presidential and congressional elections.
Active in Monroe Posted - 10/16/2012 : 2:35:43 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Happy HarperValley Rez[/i]
[br]If you really care about your kids...stop taking spending money on the ads, the signs, etc and get the paperwork started for a Private education.
More individual attention for the child, better resources, more structure, advanced classes and all while giving them a proper social setting to get acclimated with others... seems like a very attractive option!
And you do not need to count on other people's tax dollars to fund the type of education you want for your child!
WIN WIN!

quote:
[i]Originally posted by zapp2525[/i]
[br]The lack of support for the school, ^ that will be an option.





It is a definate shame that the supporters for the public education of our children have to do an all out media blitz just to convince the members of our own community to support their own school district. I agree the money would be better spent on other resources
Matt_Steele Posted - 10/16/2012 : 2:30:12 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Happy HarperValley Rez[/i]
[br]Care enough to get them the VERY best....Private School...
just sayin


quote:
[i]Originally posted by Itsforthekids[/i]
[br]
If she cares for her child's education like I do for my kids she will vote yes


quote:
[i]Originally posted by cmsquare[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Happy HarperValley Rez[/i]
[br]Yawn.... Is this thing over yet?



well that depends....how are you voting?

If you vote yes then it will be over.

If you vote no then we will get to do it again and again until you vote yes.










Unless the private school is Jesuit or some type of Catholic school, the evidence doesn't really indicate that private schools are any better than public schools at educating kids. However, the perception exists because a lot of private school students do very well. Typically though, private schools have students who would do well in any setting, leading to that result.

(Meaning: If you took a look at variables of a student such as demographics, socio-economic status, parent's involvement, parent's education etc, the students at the high end all perform around the same, regardless of public vs private. It just so happens that since many of them come from wealthier families, they end up in private school. Private school is more correlated with high achievement but that doesn't mean that putting in any type of student will boost their achievement levels)

So while private school can be a good option, I wouldn't call it the best lol. Besides, parent's typically have much less control over the education of their children in private school since there is no publicly elected school board etc.

Though maybe it's worth it to get away from the tyrants on our school board!

(just kidding about the tyrants!)
Itsforthekids Posted - 10/16/2012 : 2:18:27 PM
She will be all PRIDE Friday night at her 30th year reunion at the game against north ridge. Just think about all the taxpayers that supported Monroe schools for her to get her diploma yet now she refuses to do the same.



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[i]Originally posted by zapp2525[/i]
[br]Or at some point you have pride in where you live and show that by supporting the local district.

So you want to pay more in taxes and have Monroe close down or better yet just offer the basic bottom of the barrel education.

That makes sense.





ohiostorm Posted - 10/16/2012 : 1:56:54 PM
So you are saying put your child in private school and ignore the current community wide issue that is the school system? Let see how that will turn out......Eventually your school system is obsorbed into a neighboring district like Middletown. Your taxes go up because the neighboring districts are already taxed at a higher rate, and you join with a failing district instead of what you have currently had. I guess all that matters is your family is better off even though the community falls apart around you.
zapp2525 Posted - 10/16/2012 : 1:47:07 PM
Or at some point you have pride in where you live and show that by supporting the local district.

So you want to pay more in taxes and have Monroe close down or better yet just offer the basic bottom of the barrel education.

That makes sense.




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