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Posted - 10/11/2007 :  12:43:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Monroe will honor the city's veterans with a memorial park and monument located on the southeast corner of the intersection of RT 63 and Main Street, Monroe. You can help by purchasing an engraved paver to honor a veteran or all the veterans.

Engrave with veterans name, a family member, a business or an organization.

Three Lines of Text with 15 Characters.

4" x 8" Paver

Call Ed MacDonald at 539-8826 for more information.


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Support the Monroe Memorial Park and Moment, Buy an Engraved Paver

Order Form for Vet Memorial Paver

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Should be limited to veteran's only. I don't want Grandpa next to Widget Inc.
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Posted - 10/11/2007 :  8:30:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Hmmm - that really isn't very clear ...

Can you purchase 'on behalf of' or 'in memory of' rather than as buckeyenut suggests laying a paver for Grandpa next to 'widgets' or Rings and Wings ......

I agree with the concern - maybe Mr. McDonald can clarify - it seams that if this is a memorial to Veterans, it should be limited to just that .... thoughts ?

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Posted - 10/11/2007 :  10:25:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I think it is quite clear that you can put what you like on the paver. Be it a war hero, or a person, place or thing who wants to honor our soldiers.

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Geez Wasn't clear to me otherwise I wouldn't have asked..... Geez again

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[br]I think it is quite clear that you can put what you like on the paver. Be it a war hero, or a person, place or thing who wants to honor our soldiers.

Geez


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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  09:03:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit Sports Mom's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

If I have read the original post correctly, I believe the purpose of the paver is to "honor" the veteran. It doesn't have to be the family or friend of a veteran. If businesses or organizations would like to support or honor their veterans, why is this such an issue?

C'mon people, its an act of generosity! Some people are just good hearted and do not always have a hidden agenda
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John Beagle
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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  12:45:42 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I'm going to buy one, just like I did for the historical society.

About the historical society, has anyone seen my paver? Main Street Monroe? I can't seem to find it anymore. I looked the other day, but could not find it.

If you find it, please help me locate, for a free adult beverage at my favorite restaurant, the Red Onion.

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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  2:04:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit Tom B's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

SportsMom, I am not concerned of who purchases bricks. My concern is who is being honored. Taking the form's language at face value...

"You can help by purchasing an engraved paver to honor a veteran, a family member, a business organization."

Why we would want to honor a business organization right in the middle of monument honoring veterans? Veterans shed blood and died for their nation. I just don't like cheap commercialization of a veterans monument.

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Bob Kelley
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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  2:08:34 PM  Show Profile  Send Bob Kelley an AOL message  Send Bob Kelley a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Maybe they mean a business can buy one to Honor a Vet.

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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  2:09:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sports Mom's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Tom, I understand your concern...

Maybe they could separate the pavers? A designated place just for veterans names, a place for families or friends of veterans and another place for businesses or organizations that would like to honor any and all veterans?

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[br]Sports Mom, it is not who is buying them that concerns me, but instead who is being honored when we have bricks named for companies next to bricks named in honor of veterans.

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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  3:34:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sports Mom's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Tom, chill out... I don't remember you always being so negative? Take it for what its worth and MoveOn.org (whatever the hell that is).

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[br]This gets complicated. I have read of school districts having all kinds of problems with such pavers. Once you move past putting people's names on them, you open up a can of worms. If you put one company name, you have to accept any company name. I can just see New York New York, and Hustler Hollywood. Not to mention MoveOn.Org. It can turn into a mess.

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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  3:41:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
[br]What's wrong with Hustler Hollywood honoring our vets? Just because you and I don't approve of what they do, doesn't make them any less patrotic. I'll even bet that several employees of the Flint organization, fought in current and past conflicts and wars.



Now thats funny stuff right there.

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Bob Kelley
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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  6:22:08 PM  Show Profile  Send Bob Kelley an AOL message  Send Bob Kelley a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Didnt veterans fight to protect every one's rights?
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[i]Originally posted by Tom Birdwell[/i]
[br]John, I have no problem with companies honoring our vets. It is their getting cheap and permanent advertisement on a veteran's memorial that I have problems with.


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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  7:58:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Thought that I read this but had to figure out where.

"You may purchase a brick for inclusion in the Memorial with the name of a veteran and the branch of service imprinted on it. You may also purchase a brick with your message imprinted on it that will be placed outside the Memorial."
http://www.monroeohio.org/pdf/MayJune2007.pdf
The order form that John has on this thread has a checkbox for Veteran or Non-Veteran
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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  8:09:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit Tom B's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Thanks Linette.

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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  9:29:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I gotta agree with Tom. It's simply not proper to have a veteran's memorial with Red Onion or Widgets or whomever next to a soldier. It may be in honor of a vet, but it also looks like advertising. I'm sure no one would want to see a Catnip & Carrots brick even though it would be in honor of my Grandpa who fought the Battle of Bulge or my dad who was a Marine or myself who served in the Army or a 36 yr old friend we buried just last week who was a Gulf War vet & a proud Marine.

I didn't see the info linette posted on the brochure. I'd be surprised if this wasn't opened up to everyone in hopes of higher sales due us being a small town and needing the funds.

My thoughts aren't meant to upset anyone or cause controversy. I just feel those who served our country deserve the best we can offer and our utmost respect.
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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  10:15:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

can we PLEASE do a spell check on the title... "VETRANS"

This is not very honorable....
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SoloTSi97
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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  10:28:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit SoloTSi97's Homepage  Send SoloTSi97 an AOL message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I hope this isn't a dumb question, but does a veteran need to be (or have been) a resident of Monroe in order to have their name put on a brick? Both of my late Grandfathers served in WWII and both of my brothers-in-law have spent tours in Iraq (one of them is still over there).

I'd be interested in buying a brick for each, if it fits with the intent of the memorial.

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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  10:31:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Golly I would think a memorial of a Veteran is just that - regardless of where you live / lived.

SoloTSi97 - you are a resident of Monroe - your paver/s will represent you and your Family, loved and lost inclusive - JMHO


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Posted - 10/12/2007 :  10:38:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit SoloTSi97's Homepage  Send SoloTSi97 an AOL message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

The reason I asked is based on a memorial that is being constructed in Delhi in western Cincinnati. That memorial specifically honors veterans who live/lived in Delhi. One of my Grandfathers will be honored there, but the other did not live in Delhi and as such as not eligible. So, I figured I'd ask since the article mentions:

"Monroe will honor the city's veterans with a memorial park ..."

Either way, any veterans memorial is a great thing IMHO.

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Posted - 10/13/2007 :  12:18:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Hold on folks!!!!!!

I'm on the committee and there have been no plans to honor businesses within this memorial - ONLY VETERANS.

We have a meeting this Thursday evening at 7PM in the James Monroe room of the City Building. I will take your concerns and have them addressed by the full committee. Trust me - Bob Hale will not allow a commercialization of the memorial that would dishonor or take away from the veterans!!!

We do have a number of businesses donating money and materials toward the construction of the memorial. And we will be recognizing them through publicity and possibly benches located around the memorial.

We sure don't need any negative press started by a runaway thread. Please take a moment to catch your breath and let me get this information to the committee.

Thanks,

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Thank Bob. I probably over reacted to this one, but it is a very strong and emotional issue for me. Perhaps the language on the form, "You can help by purchasing an engraved paver to honor a veteran, a family member, a business organization." could be made more clear. In view of your promise and concern, I will delete most of my comments in this thread. John, it might help if you do the same.

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Posted - 10/13/2007 :  08:54:18 AM  Show Profile  Visit SoloTSi97's Homepage  Send SoloTSi97 an AOL message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
Originally posted by Bretland

Hold on folks!!!!!!

I'm on the committee


Do you then know the answer to my question (copied below from my earlier post)?
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Originally posted by SoloTSi97

I hope this isn't a dumb question, but does a veteran need to be (or have been) a resident of Monroe in order to have their name put on a brick? Both of my late Grandfathers served in WWII and both of my brothers-in-law have spent tours in Iraq (one of them is still over there).

I'd be interested in buying a brick for each, if it fits with the intent of the memorial.


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Posted - 10/13/2007 :  08:56:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Solo,

This is a memorial for all veterans. Being a Monroe resident is not a requirement.

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Tom B,

I don't think you over reacted at all. It is a personal issue for you and a lot of other folks. I'm sure the committee will be concerned that the proper message is being communicated to the community and I think they will want to review any and all publications/forms for clarity.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Posted - 10/13/2007 :  09:42:56 AM  Show Profile  Visit SoloTSi97's Homepage  Send SoloTSi97 an AOL message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
Originally posted by Bretland


This is a memorial for all veterans. Being a Monroe resident is not a requirement.


Excellent, thanks Bob!

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