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John Beagle
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:24:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
Motioned by Bob Kelley, unanimous vote. Monroe is no longer going to be a member of the Chamber of Commerce (Middletown).
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Fox
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:27:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
Why did we do this?
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Hornet86
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:27:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
is that a good thing?
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Houndog
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USA
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:32:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
Well if anything can be said it is this. The Chamber has done nothing to attract new business to Monroe. We have tons of empty retail, empty warehouses and what is shaping up to be an empty mall to prove it.
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Too Many Hobbies
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:34:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
It is a very good thing. Middletown does not have our best interests in mind. Time to exist on our own, not be Middletown Jr. If we do things right we will grow and prosper. Not much hope of that up north.
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John Beagle
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:35:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
Has to do with the editorial written by Bill Triick, Chamber President, in the Middletown paper supporting the SunCoke plant.
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Fox
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:35:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
Why do people in Monroe hate Middletown?
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loaner288
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:37:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I'd say the divorce is final!
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HBG
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:40:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
the same could be asked of Middletown, fox.
My dad used to say, 'You wouldn't worry so much about what people thought about you if you knew how seldom they did.
Phil McGraw
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Keith50
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:40:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Fox[/i]
[br]Why do people in Monroe hate Middletown?

I didnt know that people hated us folks over here in liltucky? I have kin folks over there and have meet alot of people that resides there and they never told me they hated me. I say they hate as we hate the people that have and will continue to run this city till it is real dead.
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Fox
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Keith50[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Fox[/i]
[br]Why do people in Monroe hate Middletown?

I didnt know that people hated us folks over here in liltucky? I have kin folks over there and have meet alot of people that resides there and they never told me they hated me. I say they hate as we hate the people that have and will continue to run this city till it is real dead.
Your wrong. Monroe hates Middletown with a passion
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Keith50
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253 Posts
Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:45:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
Not nice to hate.
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HBG
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USA
6578 Posts
Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:45:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
and Middletown hates Monroe...almost like an evil twin sibling rivalry
My dad used to say, 'You wouldn't worry so much about what people thought about you if you knew how seldom they did.
Phil McGraw
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Hornet86
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:48:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
If it were not for Middletown and AK (Armco) would Monroe exist?
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Fox
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86[/i]
[br]If it were not for Middletown and AK (Armco) would Monroe exist?
No, they would not. People in this town seem to forget where they came from.
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Keith50
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:51:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86[/i]
[br]If it were not for Middletown and AK (Armco) would Monroe exist?

Probaly so. They probaly be free of the pollution that AK spews out each day.
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loaner288
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:53:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Monroe: Established 1817
Middletown: Established 1833
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Fox
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Keith50[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86[/i]
[br]If it were not for Middletown and AK (Armco) would Monroe exist?

Probaly so. They probaly be free of the pollution that AK spews out each day.
How long have you lived in this area 50?
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Hornet86
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Fox[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86[/i]
[br]If it were not for Middletown and AK (Armco) would Monroe exist?
No, they would not. People in this town seem to forget where they came from.


exactly..... 40 years of pollution... I am still doing just fine.

THANKS AK (Armco)
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HBG
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:54:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
depends on what your definition of exist is I suppose. I am certain (but in no mood to go on the search required) that the village of Monroe was founded before American rolling mill company opened it's doors.


My question to you is, if you are so pro Ak/Armco why are you not employed there?
why do you live in Monroe vs. Middletown? I'm sure at one point you had a choice, enlighten me please.
My dad used to say, 'You wouldn't worry so much about what people thought about you if you knew how seldom they did.
Phil McGraw
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Hornet86
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:55:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by loaner288[/i]
[br]
Monroe: Established 1817
Middletown: Established 1833


you are an Armco kid just like me.... you know what I f-ing mean.

I said nothing about when they were established...
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Keith50
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253 Posts
Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:56:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Fox[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Keith50[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86[/i]
[br]If it were not for Middletown and AK (Armco) would Monroe exist?

Probaly so. They probaly be free of the pollution that AK spews out each day.
How long have you lived in this area 50?

Almost all my life. Spent a few years away when I was in the service and a few years down In Florida.
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Hornet86
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:57:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Mindi Dishman[/i]
[br]depends on what your definition of exist is I suppose. I am certain (but in no mood to go on the search required) that the village of Monroe was founded before American rolling mill company opened it's doors.


My question to you is, if you are so pro Ak/Armco why do are you not employed there?
why do you live in Monroe vs. Middletown? I'm sure at one point you had a choice, enlighten me please.


I am not employed there because my college degree, which was paid for by Armco money , does not match the qualifications of people that they need.

If they were in producing any biologicals, then I am there.
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Fox
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:58:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by loaner288[/i]
[br]
Monroe: Established 1817
Middletown: Established 1833
Are you kidding. Monroe has been a pimple on Middletowns a$$ for years.
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HBG
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USA
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:58:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
and you moved from Middletown to Monroe (as your parents did) because???
My dad used to say, 'You wouldn't worry so much about what people thought about you if you knew how seldom they did.
Phil McGraw
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Keith50
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253 Posts
Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:58:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Mindi Dishman[/i]
[br]depends on what your definition of exist is I suppose. I am certain (but in no mood to go on the search required) that the village of Monroe was founded before American rolling mill company opened it's doors.


My question to you is, if you are so pro Ak/Armco why do are you not employed there?
why do you live in Monroe vs. Middletown? I'm sure at one point you had a choice, enlighten me please.


I am not employed there because my college degree, which was paid for by Armco money , does not match the qualifications of people that they need.

If they were in producing any biologicals, then I am there.


Give them time they might be doing that soon.
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Hornet86
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  9:59:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Mindi Dishman[/i]
[br]and you moved from Middletown to Monroe (as your parents did) because???


Schools..

and mortgage rate I could not turn down... ask loaner
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loaner288
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  10:01:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
I don't have a problem with AK Steel, never have. Chill

Armco opened in 1901. Middletown was not founded around a steel mill, and neither was Monroe. Thats all I am saying.

Close the mill and both cities suffer.



quote:
[i]Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by loaner288[/i]
[br]
Monroe: Established 1817
Middletown: Established 1833


you are an Armco kid just like me.... you know what I f-ing mean.

I said nothing about when they were established...
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Hornet86
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11107 Posts
Posted - 12/09/2008 :  10:03:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
forget it.....
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Keith50
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  10:05:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
Only problem I have with AK is they need to clean up one mess before they make another.
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Too Many Hobbies
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276 Posts
Posted - 12/09/2008 :  10:08:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86[/i]
[br]If it were not for Middletown and AK (Armco) would Monroe exist?


Would the United States exist if the king of Great Britain had not been abusive?

I get tired of people stating that AK/Armco paid the bills for so many years we should support them. That is the past, what is the now, what is the future?

I have been through this before with a GM/UAW town. Past performance does not guarantee future performance.
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Fox
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  10:09:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by loaner288[/i]
[br]I don't have a problem with AK Steel, never have. Chill

Armco opened in 1901. Middletown was not founded around a steel mill, and neither was Monroe. Thats all I am saying.

Close the mill and both cities suffer.



quote:
[i]Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by loaner288[/i]
[br]
Monroe: Established 1817
Middletown: Established 1833


you are an Armco kid just like me.... you know what I f-ing mean.

I said nothing about when they were established...

Where do you think people in this area worked. Now that the jobs have moved out and we split from the school district Middletown sucks. Those jobs out by the highway will never come close to matching what Middletown had.
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Fox
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  10:15:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Too Many Hobbies[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86[/i]
[br]If it were not for Middletown and AK (Armco) would Monroe exist?


Would the United States exist if the king of Great Britain had not been abusive?

I get tired of people stating that AK/Armco paid the bills for so many years we should support them. That is the past, what is the now, what is the future?

I have been through this before with a GM/UAW town. Past performance does not guarantee future performance.
I don't have family in Great Britain but I do in Middletown.
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blueblood
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USA
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  10:19:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
Whats the big deal. We are getting rid of an organization that contributes nothing to Monroe and looking to join one that has more common ground and support. They were never for Monroe unless it was in others interest. Good Ridden. Middletown is still what it is and nothing has changed.
You are who you are, because you choose to be that way
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Fox
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I think it was a good move on Monroe's part. LOL
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Ursosju25
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Good Riddance and AMEN! Thank You Bob and council!
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Bob Kelley
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In who's opinion...
quote:
Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86


exactly..... 40 years of pollution... I am still doing just fine.

THANKS AK (Armco)
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HBG
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  10:53:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Bob Kelley[/i]
[br]In who's opinion...
quote:
Originally posted by Artist Formerly Hornet86


exactly..... 40 years of pollution... I am still doing just fine.

THANKS AK (Armco)




took the words right outta my mouth
My dad used to say, 'You wouldn't worry so much about what people thought about you if you knew how seldom they did.
Phil McGraw
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sportsnut
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  06:36:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
I seem to remember during the lock-out/levy campaign, someone mentioned on here that only 50+ households in Monroe were affected by AK. How how are we an AK city if that is the case?

Monroe is much more of a bedroom community today as compared to yesteryear and doesn't really need to have that connection to AK in order to survive - It may have at one time, but no more. Monroe is gaining it's own identity - and that is a good thing.
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CherieGentry
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  08:10:25 AM  Show Profile  Visit CherieGentry's Homepage  Send CherieGentry an AOL message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
So will we be starting our own Chamber of Commerce? And maybe even our own Visitors Bureau? I think it will do wonders for Monroe to have both.
NOTE: Any misspellings, incorrect case, verb usage, and/or sentence structure, although unintentional, are inserted within this statement with a purpose. It is my wish to appease those few people who need to find fault with anything nagging about small issues while overlooking the big picture!
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Brandy
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Monroe ends chamber membership
Council members don't want to be affiliated with Middletown.
By Denise Wilson

Staff Writer

Wednesday, December 10, 2008

MONROE The Chamber of Commerce that serves Middletown, Monroe and Trenton has lost a member.

The Monroe City Council voted 6-0 Tuesday, Dec. 9, not to renew its membership with the chamber. Councilwoman Anna Hale was absent.

Councilman Bob Kelley recommended the city not renew its membership because he said he did not believe the city's needs are being met. Also, he said Monroe is a growing city that doesn't need to be affiliated with Middletown, which he pointed out was just named among the top dying cities in America.

"You heard people asking questions what has the chamber done for the city of Monroe and everybody grasping at straws trying to say something positive. When you have to think that hard and grasp that hard for straws to say something positive, there's a problem," he said.

"The city also doesn't need to be publicly attacked continually by an organization it supports monetarily," Kelley said, referring to the proposed SunCoke Energy plant and Trenton bypass projects.

Bill Triick, president and CEO of the chamber, left the council meeting before the membership vote and later Tuesday could not be reached for comment.

Triick and Fred DeBiasi, chamber board chairman, in a letter to the Journal's editor Tuesday, encouraged residents and community leaders who object to Monroe's efforts to appeal an air permit issued by the Ohio Environmental Agency for the construction of the SunCoke plant to band together and be heard about the facility at Tuesday's council meeting.

Councilman Tracy Shell said the city needs its own chamber of commerce.

"It's been proven to this point that they're looking after their business partners in Middletown and not in Monroe."

Kelley said he is not saying yet whether the city also plans to encourage Monroe businesses to also end their memberships with the chamber.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who matter won't mind. And those who mind, don't matter."
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Jane Smith
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Monroe Council made a great decision, I am proud that they are taking a stand.
And I hope that everyone emails them, or tells them how proud we are.

We all love the past, and remember it vaguely as we age.
Things are quite different today, and they will never be the same.

The one thing, I will always remember from College.
Is that Union's are dying, and they eventually will.

And although you may appear healthy, 40,50, or 60 years living nearby these contaminated areas.
There is always something, that will show up in your later years. Maybe it already has, dementia issues
start earlier, and earlier. Have you gotten a physical lately? Once it starts, it won't stop.

And if your reviewing the Air Quality results, showing the pollution and health causes. And you have children, or would want potential grandchildren. I would hope, that you would be concerned.

If not, I'm sorry for your losses. Because sooner or later, it's going to hit your family. These environmental hazards target everyone. If you have someone, that already has asthmatic problems, then you know what I mean.

There is nothing worse, then begging a two year old to breathe through a nebulizer.

I've watched generations suffer because they lived in surrounding areas, of multiple polluters. Each generation, had more physical ailments, asthma, birth defects, stillborns and miscarriages. And their children, numerous conditions, just because they couldn't move.

And no one was putting the pressure on these company's, to control their emissions. They poisoned the water, and air, and thousand's of people in the area. The only reason, this area is slowly recovering, is because they said Enough! Many of them moved, and continued their health decline. Parent's watched children die of cancers, grandparents died early.

But, they were only being poisoned 50/60 years.

So a few of you, have the potential, to have 10 more good years.

Monroe Council needs all the support, that you can give them.
We are not a dying City, we are a thriving City in a bad economy.
We shouldn't loose sight of the past, but we should make better decisions,
because of it.
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Hornet89
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I agree with 86, I was an AK kid, most of the kids I went to Monroe Schools with were AK kids.......Middletown and Monroe would not have grown if it were not for AK...............and why does everyone hate Middletown so much, you sound like a bunch of snobs! I grew up in Monroe, and have worked for Middletown Police Dept for many years, I love both communities, they both have a great history.......I root for the Hornets and the Middies......guess that makes me some kinda freak! P.S. ---just a bit of info I haved lived in Monroe and Middletown, I will agree it is waaaaaayyyyy better to live in Monroe!
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Jane Smith
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There should be such a concern, that all of Monroe residents. Should contatct the FEDERAL EPA office, and DEMAND that more testing should be done immediately. So, only then can we truely see, how much it's changed. And how much worse it is now.

And then DEMAND, TO KNOW, what other harmful health effects will happen. Upon approving the Suncoke facility.

These results are not favorable for our City, our School district, and Monroe's future. The City Council and our School Board, and our Congress Representative, should demand new testing. And frequent testing. We should Demand that the Federal EPA, do a through investigation. Not monthly, or yearly, but 10, through 30 years. All health problems should be noted, of children and citizen's of Monroe and surrounding areas of the polluters.

It's time for a change, and it should start now. Email, Write, Complain and Don't Settle for ANYTHING Less. You have the right, Your children and grandchildren, have the right to breathe fresh air, and drink uncontanimated water. And we have the right to frequent testing, environmental precautions, and INFORMATION. No matter how long, it takes to receive it!
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Hornet86
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  10:23:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse
Is this the twilight zone?
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Ursosju25
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I think this whole issue is serious and I don't why we have an individual coming on here and hacking the thread. Monroe made a great decision last night and I support it 100%
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Bretland
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I'm indifferent about dropping the relationship with the Middletown Chamber of Commerce.

But, I attended one of their Chamber meetings a couple years ago. I was treated with respect and the meeting topic was very informative. I was also asked a question (by Mr. Triick): Why doesn't Monroe send a representive to the Chamber meetings more often than they do?
I couldn't answer the question. And, there was no one from Monroe at that particular meeting.

You know, you get out of a relationship what you put into it. I think it's incorrect to state that Middletown hates Monroe or vice versa. It appears to be more of an "ego thing" on both sides.
"There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary, and those that don't."
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Bob Kelley
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http://www.thechamberofcommerce.org/

Click on the Economic Development page and tell me what you find.
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Keith50
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Bob Kelley[/i]
[br]http://www.thechamberofcommerce.org/

Click on the Economic Development page and tell me what you find.

A bunch of bull.
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CherieGentry
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Well monroe is not even listed as a city of interest for visitors on this web site.

http://www.destinationbutlercounty.com/asp/community.asp
NOTE: Any misspellings, incorrect case, verb usage, and/or sentence structure, although unintentional, are inserted within this statement with a purpose. It is my wish to appease those few people who need to find fault with anything nagging about small issues while overlooking the big picture!
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Tracy
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by CherieGentry[/i]
[br]Well monroe is not even listed as a city of interest for visitors on this web site.

http://www.destinationbutlercounty.com/asp/community.asp



Cherie, that is in the works as we speak, I have spoken to Mrs. Wasson and she informed me we have been in contact with this group and this will be remedied very soon.
TRACY SHELL
Shellt@monroeohio.org

I wish you enough
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