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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  09:55:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

This makes me itch just thinking about it.... What are your thoughts? Personally, I would feel better with a no lice/no nits policy mainly because we still have some parents out there who just don't take the proper course of action to get rid of the lice and try to send the kids back to school without getting the problem under control first.

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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  10:14:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I thought the school did have a no lice/no nits policy? At least it did when I subbed in the clinic a couple years ago.

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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  10:21:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

As far as I know, Monroe does have a no lice/no nits policy, but I'm wondering if that will change if other schools start to change their policies.
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  11:33:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Most places these days have a no live lice policy. If you don't spot it crawling, the child can stay. Considering the little buggers are rather fast and don't like light, spotting live lice is rather difficult! Don't get me started.
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  11:43:53 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

That's nasty.

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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  11:50:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Makes me itch just thinking about it!
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  12:07:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

The parents should be doing more checking and not leave it up to the schools, maybe a few do.
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  12:14:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I think most parents probably do what they are supposed to do, but there are always those few who for whatever reason just don't.
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[i]Originally posted by wifostarz[/i]
[br]I think most parents probably do what they are supposed to do, but there are always those few who for whatever reason just don't.



Then there are those whose children have lice for two years and counting. Seriously, seems like children's services should be involved.
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  1:06:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I agree. That is inexcusable child neglect in my book.

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[br]I think most parents probably do what they are supposed to do, but there are always those few who for whatever reason just don't.



Then there are those whose children have lice for two years and counting. Seriously, seems like children's services should be involved.

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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  2:23:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Middletown has a no lice policy.


I would bet that most parents truly don't know what all it entails to get rid of these suckers.


As a licensed hairdresser if I see 1 nit in a clients head I have to throw all soft goods away (towels, capes, robes) and inexpensive hard goods also (combs, brushes) I can sanitize my shears, chair (reception, shampoo, and styling) and the shampoo bowl. Can't forget the station...God forbid they went to the restroom or had a coat they hung next to another clients. This policy of allowing nits is just asinine.

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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  2:51:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

My little 7 year old girl went to a different district last year.If head lice was found,they don't let them back till they are checked by nurse.I agree though-one person not treating can get the whole cycle started.My girl got them last year unfortunately.Here is what I did..Put mayonnaise on their head and cover with shower cap for 2 full hours.Wash out after.Lice suffucate and nits comb out easy.Beats pesticide!!1 FYI-dogs can't get them..
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  3:28:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I do lice checks at my school and considering we have under 100 students in the school, it spreads fast. Usually you can count on the same students to have nits. We have a no nit/lice policy and have even caught a few crawling on a student's desk. To allow nits is ridiculous and gives the parents an excuse not to treat. Which in itself is neglect, IMO. Parents don't believe you and complain its only dandruff, so we pull out the hair and tape it to an index card. There is the occasional kid you have to remind to wash their hair because the dandruff is greased to their head because they have not washed it in a week.

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And to think I get disgusted with the parents who don't comb their little kids hair. Just because they are too little to care what their hair looks like is no excuse to roll them out of bed and onto the bus. Does this irritate anyone else? It also bugs me when parents don't take the time to brush their little kid's teeth before school.
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  4:52:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Ok-really hit a nerve here. I would not think of sending kids to school w/o basics-personal care,full belly,and completed homework.
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  5:08:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

That doesn't mean you do it but the fact is there are parents that do it.
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[br]Ok-really hit a nerve here. I would not think of sending kids to school w/o basics-personal care,full belly,and completed homework.

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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  5:14:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I wouldn't think of sending my kids to school without the basics either, but it never ceases to amaze me that many don't eat prior to catching the bus (and are not planning to eat once they arrive at school either), do not have hair combed and very obviously have not brushed their teeth in a while.
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  5:20:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I ate a poptart everyday at the bus stop.

My pet peeve is babies in public in only diapers and a shirt. I don't care if the diaper has a cute print of giraffes or butterflys, put on some pants!

Never had lice but even the word nit makes my skin crawl!
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  5:24:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

My mom and I were out shopping the day after the last snow and some man had a baby at Kohls in a dress with nothing covering her legs. She had on a pair of socks and no shoes. When he was leaving the store, he opened his coat and pulled it around her. No hat on her head either. I was livid.
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  5:26:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I have a comment about the combed hair bit!! I'm the mother of a little boy with two hair whirls in the back of his head, each whirling in the opposite direction. I used to complain about kids with "bed head" too, until God blessed me with one with permanent "bed head". Unless he's had a fresh hair cut, his hair sticks up and I have yet to find a gel that helps. I don't want to put gel in my little boy's hair anyway.

So...just wanted to say that. There are children out there for whom a comb does no good.
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  6:39:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

It's frustrating and shocking for parents. And I always tried my best to explain, and give enough information for them to properly clean their home, bedding and the child's head. But, they tend to overlook the car.

And they let their children, stay at other homes, before cleaning their heads. Or don't tell parents of neighbors, or friends, that they have lice. So, it is a horrible cycle. I think the mayo treatment is the best. I can't imagine allowing those chemicals, on children's heads.

There is no way, nits should be allowable.
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Posted - 02/19/2009 :  6:40:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

.... there's a difference Ellie

I believe you can tell the Children who are obviously unkempt...

I know that there are many Parents who are physically aware of their Children, their hygiene and cleanliness and are fortunate to oversee the morning routine. There are some who are out of the House when their Children are getting up and preparing for School, but are in tune with the needs and whatever's ..and there are some, who don't really care

I believe as a Parent/ Guardian, even if you are not there as your Children leave for School, you have the opportunity (at some point in the day/evening/night) to assist or prepare to accommodate their basic needs....




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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  08:36:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Monroe does not have a no lice no nits policy. You can go to school with nits. In November (coat weather) I received a phone call from a friend who was horrified to learn that a child in her daughters class had lice. It was not a phone call from the school, nor did she receive a letter from the school about this. She knew the parent who told her. I called the school and talked to the nurse and was told that unless several kids in a class get it then they do not notify parents. WHAT??!! They are allowed to return to school 1 hour after being treated with nits..WHAT??!! When I asked her (the nurse) about the coats hanging side by side each other because this child was in 1 of the trailers I was told that is not a probable way of spreading it is contact like in a home environment. I looked up on the mayo clinic web site that is not the case but they (the school) have a study proving otherwise. I was then told by another friend that Herbal Essences shampoo have something in it that lice do not like...we now buy and use only Herbal Essences shampoo.
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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  09:29:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Maybe Mindi can shed some light on the PROPER way to rid people of lice. Personally, I would not rely on home remedies.... JMO.
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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  09:57:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[br]I have a comment about the combed hair bit!! I'm the mother of a little boy with two hair whirls in the back of his head, each whirling in the opposite direction. I used to complain about kids with "bed head" too, until God blessed me with one with permanent "bed head". Unless he's had a fresh hair cut, his hair sticks up and I have yet to find a gel that helps. I don't want to put gel in my little boy's hair anyway.

So...just wanted to say that. There are children out there for whom a comb does no good.



I had to laugh reading this because I have 3 yr old with the same kind of permanent bed head. It drives me nuts!!
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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  10:04:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Ellie, I can appreciate the issue with your little boy. But I am referring to children who look like they have rat nests in their hair (not quite that bad, but you know what I mean). When it is just completely obvious that no attempt at combing has been made. My son has a cowlick at the crown of his head too and it's not always easy to make it look nice (sometimes it is downright impossible). In this weather, it's very hard while they are wearing hats!! Which brings me to another Parent Pet Peeve - Parents who do not dress their small children appropriately for the weather! I won't go there. Suffice it to say that I have been known to give coats to some of these kids because I just had to assume that they didn't own a winter coat.
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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  10:10:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I have offered to pay for three kids haircuts this week, to buy under shirts, socks and we keep food available for students. Needless to say some parents have their priorities in the wrong place. Here is a tip...basic necessities for the kids first before the carton of cigarettes. (now stepping off my soap box)

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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  10:40:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

That is very nice of you.

Sorry if I was on a soap box myself. I just get aggravated when I see these kids and I don't know the parents so I cannot determine why they cannot see what the rest of us see... Why is it not a priority for them too. And as for the clothing issue - I never know if it is a matter of money or if they are just allowing a child to dress themself who is too young to determine what is appropriate for the weather, which I have also encountered.

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[br]I have offered to pay for three kids haircuts this week, to buy under shirts, socks and we keep food available for students. Needless to say some parents have their priorities in the wrong place. Here is a tip...basic necessities for the kids first before the carton of cigarettes. (now stepping off my soap box)

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We had a case of them in our home last year. UGH!!!

For the longest time we didn't realize the true cause of the itchy scalp, as we thought it was a matter of not fully rinsing out the shampoo.

A routine trip for a haircut is how we found out. At which point we learned that they wouldn't do the haircut. Thankfully, Mindi made a housecall to do the haircut, which then made it much easier to do the business of running the very fine-toothed comb through.

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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  11:07:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Sorry I'm into "home remedies".I would not post it if it did not work...If you want to use RID ie. pesticide so be it.
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[br]We had a case of them in our home last year. UGH!!!

For the longest time we didn't realize the true cause of the itchy scalp, as we thought it was a matter of not fully rinsing out the shampoo.

A routine trip for a haircut is how we found out. At which point we learned that they wouldn't do the haircut. Thankfully, Mindi made a housecall to do the haircut, which then made it much easier to do the business of running the very fine-toothed comb through.



It can happen to anyone. I brought it home from work, and thankfully no one in my family ever ended up with them. I had the nurse check my head because it itched so much, but she didn't find anything. A week later, still itching, I found bites on my neck! I went back to her and said rather pathetically, "Something is living in my hair." I have a lot of hair! Not only that, but the shaft is thin so those little combs did not work. I am forever indebted to my co-worker who came to my house and picked them out with her fingernails one strand at a time.

I have a full appreciation for the term "nit picking".
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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  1:02:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Amen! Before my daughter's experience I thought lice was for "poor or unclean" kids.God knows when to humble you!The nurse told me the critters actually prefer clean hair! I stood corrected!
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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  1:17:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

You are right,anyone can get lice. As we were told at one of our school inservices,"Lice are not discriminatory". Also, it is just not transmitted at schools although this is the most common place. Trying on clothes,hats,etc.tanning beds, and movie theater chairs are all possible (but probably not all that common) ways of getting it.
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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  1:24:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I have also read that sometimes if you get lice a couple of times you may become immune to the itchiness that many get the first time. So, maybe that is why some of the kids may have it and not even know it for a while. I had it a few years back and the itching was a major sign! I probably got it from school but who knows I could have even gotten it from the tanning bed. It is gross but once you have it you tend to have a little more sympathy for others who get it.
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Posted - 02/20/2009 :  1:53:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Steelergirl, you need to stop typing. Just kidding. But you are not putting my mind at ease.

My head itched for a YEAR after I had it. Every time the wind blew, I swore I had it again. I treated my hair, gosh, six times, even though I think the first treatment did it. DH finally had to take the products away from me!
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Posted - 02/21/2009 :  10:07:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Schools wouldn't have to be so nitpicky if the parents did the checking.
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Posted - 02/21/2009 :  12:28:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

That is funny - SIX times? I had a lice scare once and scrubbed my head, did TWO treatments, washed all of my bedding in HOT water and had my furniture steam cleaned. I never even saw a nit but I wasn't taking any chances. LOL

BTW - I was told about the lice case in Monroe in the fall and spoke with the nurse at my school (not Monroe). She said that lice rarely spread amoung students at school. That you really have to have consistent, CLOSE, contact with children who have live lice. I expressed my concern about the coats all being hung so closely in their cubbies and she did agree that those could be an issue. But I was SURPRISED that Lakota allows students back after treatment even if they have nits, just like Monroe.

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[br]Steelergirl, you need to stop typing. Just kidding. But you are not putting my mind at ease.

My head itched for a YEAR after I had it. Every time the wind blew, I swore I had it again. I treated my hair, gosh, six times, even though I think the first treatment did it. DH finally had to take the products away from me!

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Posted - 02/22/2009 :  1:58:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

We had a scare once and I treated everyone in the house and threw the bedding away and sprayed the mattresses.
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This is the main reason why I don't understand why parent don't go out and buy their kids their own batting helmet for baseball. As a board we have to give out helmets for the kids that don't have them, but for $15 for a new one it takes that problem out of the equation.
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Posted - 02/22/2009 :  3:23:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Slappy, Is there an issue that some Parents can't afford to purchase the helmets that you are aware of?

Personally, for this VERY reason (lice) I wouldn't permit my Child to use equipment that *could* be infected...

I recall my Daughter being in a School play which required her to wear a top hat... I was happy to purchase rather than take a chance.

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Not sure if it's an issue of being able to afford it, or just not thinking about it. The helmets we offer are older, and we have to have them for the kids that don't have them. We try to pass the word at every sign up that each child should have their own helmet, but that doesn't always work.
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