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John Beagle
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Posted - 04/06/2010 :  08:44:40 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Conservatives are not granted the same Free Speech Rights as Liberals. Why is it that one side can shout down another?

Liberals say the only bias in the media is that one tv network, Fox. Yet the reality is that MSNBC is considerably more biased than Fox. MSNBC has lost all sense of objectivity.

In Canada, when a conservative woman wanted to give a speech to a group of like minded college students, she was met with outrageous behavior by the Provost, the police and the parliament.

Now I'm not saying that I agree with everything Ann has to say. But just as anyone, she has a right to say it. Oh wait, she was in Canada. In Canada, conservatives are not allowed to speak. Could this be the direction that liberals are trying to take US? I hope not.

Oh, Canada!
by Ann Coulter
03/24/2010


Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes, threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because that one was on my "bucket list").

Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown shirts.

Welcome to Canada!


The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote to me—widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen intermediaries before it reached me—in advance of my visit in order to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws regarding hate speech.

This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I might do in the future.

Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me, "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to criminal charges."

I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F----you, Francois."

While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for "Frank A. Hole").

What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land of the Bed-Wetters.")

How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?

Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or—my suspicion—is it only conservative women who fuel Francois' rage?

How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate crime?

I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal prosecution.

Both writer Mark Steyn and editor Ezra Levant have been investigated by the Human Rights Commission for promoting hatred toward Muslims.

Levant's alleged crime was to reprint the cartoons of Mohammed originally published in a Danish newspaper, leading practitioners of the Religion of Peace to engage in murderous violence across the globe. Steyn's alleged crime was to publish an excerpt of his book, America Alone in Maclean's magazine, in which he jauntily described Muslims as "hot for jihad."

Both of them also flew jet airliners full of passengers into skyscrapers in lower Manhattan, resulting in thousands of deaths. No, wait—that was somebody else.

Curiously, however, there was no evidence that either the cartoons or the column did, in fact, incite hatred toward Muslims—nor was there the remotest possibility that they would.

By contrast, conservative speakers are regularly subjected to violent attacks on college campuses. Bill Kristol, Pat Buchanan, David Horowitz and I have all been the targets of infamous campus attacks.

That's why the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute (a sponsor of my Canada speeches) and the Young America's Foundation (a sponsor of many of my college speeches) don't send conservatives to college campuses without a bodyguard.

You'd have to be a real A-Houle not to anticipate that accusing a conservative of "promoting hatred" prior to her arrival on a college campus would in actuality—not in liberal fantasies of terrified Muslims cowering in terror of Mark Steyn readers—incite real-world violence toward the conservative.

The university itself acknowledged that Francois' letter was likely to provoke violence against me by demanding—long after my speech was scheduled, but immediately after Francois disseminated his letter—that my sponsors pony up more than $1,200 for extra security.

Also following Francois' letter, the Ottawa University Student Federation met for 7 1/2 hours to hammer out a series of resolutions denouncing me. The resolutions included:

"Whereas Ann Coulter is a hateful woman;
"Whereas she has made hateful comments against GLBTQ, Muslims, Jews and women;
"Whereas she violates an unwritten code of 'positive-space';
"Be it resolved that the SFUO express its disapproval of having Ann Coulter speak at the University of Ottawa."

At least the students didn't waste 7 1/2 hours on something silly, like their studies.

At the risk of violating anyone's positive space, what happened to Canada? How did the country that gave us Jim Carrey, Mike Myers, Martin Short, Dan Aykroyd and Catherine O'Hara suddenly become a bunch of whining crybabies?

After Tuesday night, the hatred incited by Francois' letter is no longer theoretical. The police called off my speech when the auditorium was surrounded by thousands of rioting liberals—screaming, blocking the entrance, throwing tables, demanding that my books be burned, and finally setting off the fire alarm.

Sadly, I missed the book-burning because I never made it to the building.

But, reportedly, a Canadian crowd hasn't been this excited since they opened a new Tim Hortons. Local reporters couldn't make out what the crowd was chanting, but it was something about "Molson" and a "sled dog."

I've given more than 100 college speeches, and not once has one of my speeches been shut down at any point. Even the pie-throwing incident at the University of Arizona didn't break up the event. I said, "Get them!" and the college Republicans got them, and then I continued with my rambling, hate-filled diatribe—I mean, my speech.

So we've run this experiment more than 100 times.

Only one college speech was ever met with so much mob violence that the police were forced to cancel it: The one that was preceded by a letter from the university provost accusing me of hate speech.

(To add insult to injury, Francois didn't even plan to attend my speech because Tuesday is his bikini wax night.)

If a university official's letter accusing a speaker of having a proclivity to commit speech crimes before she's given the speech—which then leads to Facebook postings demanding that Ann Coulter be hurt, a massive riot and a police-ordered cancellation of the speech—is not hate speech, then there is no such thing as hate speech.

Either Francois goes to jail or the Human Rights Commission is a hoax and a fraud.

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Wow!!! She certainly had a retort for how she was treated. I suspect that she'll not be welcomed back any time soon.......

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Posted - 04/06/2010 :  09:35:59 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

What if Nancy Pelosi were threatened like Ann was? Or Arianna Huffington? It would be on all the major network news program.

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The lighter side of this SWEET LITTLE LADY(AP) New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton accused commentator Ann Coulter of making a “vicious, mean-spirited attack” on outspoken 9/11 widows whom the television pundit described as “self-obsessed” and enjoying their husbands' deaths.

Coulter writes in a new book, “Godless: The Church of Liberalism,” that a group of New Jersey widows whose husbands perished in the World Trade Center act “as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them.”

She also wrote, “I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much.”

Clinton, who has felt Coulter's criticism over the years, responded on Wednesday.

“Perhaps her book should have been called 'Heartless,’ ” the senator said. “I know a lot of the widows and family members who lost loved ones on 9/11. They never wanted to be a member of a group that is defined by the tragedy of what happened.”

The New York Democrat and former first lady said she found it “unimaginable that anyone in the public eye could launch a vicious, mean-spirited attack on people whom I've known over the last four and a half years to be concerned deeply about the safety and security of our country.”

New York's Republican Gov. George Pataki also voiced anger and surprise at Coulter's words.

“I was really stunned and I don't think it's at all fair or accurate,” Pataki said Wednesday in New York.

“I have spoken with many, many grieving family members and the hurt is real, the pain is real, the suffering four and a half years later has not lessened to any appreciable degree,” he said.

Coulter appeared Tuesday on NBC's “Today” show, and stuck by her stance, saying the women used their grief “to make a political point.”

Her criticism was aimed at four New Jersey women whom she dubbed “The Witches of East Brunswick,” after the town where two of them live.

They have spent the years since the 2001 terror attacks supporting an independent commission to examine government failures before the attack, and in the 2004 presidential campaign they endorsed Democrat John Kerry.

The women are Kristen Breitweiser, Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg and Patty Casazza.

The women, who are still pushing for changes in how the government guards against future attacks, issued a joint statement after Coulter's television appearance.

“We have been slandered. Contrary to Ms. Coulter's statements, there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive. There was no happiness in telling our children that their fathers were never coming home again. We adored these men and miss them every day,” the women said.


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Posted - 04/06/2010 :  10:50:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Old story, out of context. Typical spin. Did you read Ann's book?

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[i]Originally posted by skydiver[/i]
[br]The lighter side of this SWEET LITTLE LADY(AP) New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton accused commentator Ann Coulter of making a “vicious, mean-spirited attack” on outspoken 9/11 widows whom the television pundit described as “self-obsessed” and enjoying their husbands' deaths.

Coulter writes in a new book, “Godless: The Church of Liberalism,” that a group of New Jersey widows whose husbands perished in the World Trade Center act “as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them.”

She also wrote, “I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much.”

Clinton, who has felt Coulter's criticism over the years, responded on Wednesday.

“Perhaps her book should have been called 'Heartless,’ ” the senator said. “I know a lot of the widows and family members who lost loved ones on 9/11. They never wanted to be a member of a group that is defined by the tragedy of what happened.”

The New York Democrat and former first lady said she found it “unimaginable that anyone in the public eye could launch a vicious, mean-spirited attack on people whom I've known over the last four and a half years to be concerned deeply about the safety and security of our country.”

New York's Republican Gov. George Pataki also voiced anger and surprise at Coulter's words.

“I was really stunned and I don't think it's at all fair or accurate,” Pataki said Wednesday in New York.

“I have spoken with many, many grieving family members and the hurt is real, the pain is real, the suffering four and a half years later has not lessened to any appreciable degree,” he said.

Coulter appeared Tuesday on NBC's “Today” show, and stuck by her stance, saying the women used their grief “to make a political point.”

Her criticism was aimed at four New Jersey women whom she dubbed “The Witches of East Brunswick,” after the town where two of them live.

They have spent the years since the 2001 terror attacks supporting an independent commission to examine government failures before the attack, and in the 2004 presidential campaign they endorsed Democrat John Kerry.

The women are Kristen Breitweiser, Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg and Patty Casazza.

The women, who are still pushing for changes in how the government guards against future attacks, issued a joint statement after Coulter's television appearance.

“We have been slandered. Contrary to Ms. Coulter's statements, there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive. There was no happiness in telling our children that their fathers were never coming home again. We adored these men and miss them every day,” the women said.


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So skydiver since you dont like her ideas they should be shut down huh? I am guessing that is your point to posting the above.
Quit frankly I agree with Ann on the 911 thing, it was all for money and the American tax payer had to pay millions to these women for their dead spouse.
Funny if one of our spouses are killed we dont get millions by the government!
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Posted - 04/06/2010 :  11:26:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Exactly, Ann was pointing out the money grab.

In context, Ann wrote, "These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis. These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them."

Coulter refused to apologize, and responded, "I feel sorry for all the widows of 9/11...[but] I do not believe that sanctifies their political message....They have attacked Bush, they have attacked Condoleezza Rice, they're cutting campaign commercials for Kerry.

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[br]So skydiver since you dont like her ideas they should be shut down huh? I am guessing that is your point to posting the above.
Quit frankly I agree with Ann on the 911 thing, it was all for money and the American tax payer had to pay millions to these women for their dead spouse.
Funny if one of our spouses are killed we dont get millions by the government!


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No John, I didn't read Ann's book. As I read your post I was reminded of why people hate this lady. Whenever I hear her name , It reminds me of her comments of 911. I think some of what she says is true and some are fabricated lies. This lady is very controversial and draws attention where ever she goes. She is good at what she does and that is making money on controversial issues. If Ann was to come to Monroe to speak I'd be one of the first to get my ticket ( of course she wouldn't charge). As far as " Old Story- Out of context- Sure, I agree , It was just a knee jerk reaction just like when I laugh out loud reading the funnies. sorry JOHN. And bobpreston, Yes , you are Guessing

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Posted - 04/06/2010 :  1:22:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

no problem skydiver, I respect your opinion.

But we digress, the thready is really about conservative women being afforded the same right of free speech as liberal women. Clearly we are going by the way of Canada when we don't allow conservative women to speak without left hand out of context analysis.

Look at the way liberals treat Sarah Palin.


Yet who is the first to scream hatespeech?

Look at the way they treated Condoleezza Rice:


What a race bait of a poster if there ever way. Well that's what the left wants to do, keep racism alive and pin it on conservative women.

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