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Posted - 03/23/2011 :  4:00:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse


First estimate to fix the damage from a poorly constructed clocktower is $204,000.00 was discussed here on Jan 26.
http://www.mainstreetmonroe.com/voice/topic.asp?topic_id=22069

The Clock Tower is still leaking, the city can't find the building contracts, vendor names, nothing. The city insurance has been notified.

It's the rainy season and there is no known short term fix according to Brock.




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I'll donate a blue plastic tarp till they can get it fixed.


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yeah....cover the dang thing!!!!

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Do you have a green one?
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I'll donate a blue plastic tarp till they can get it fixed.


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Hasn't anyone seen Poltergiest?
When you build on hallowed ground, you must expect problems.
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Lol!!!!
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I guess we can expect it to fall down next?
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Hasn't anyone seen Poltergiest?
When you build on hallowed ground, you must expect problems.


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Posted - 03/23/2011 :  10:54:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

[quote][i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
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First estimate to fix the damage from a poorly constructed clocktower is $204,000.00 was discussed here on Jan 26.
http://www.mainstreetmonroe.com/voice/topic.asp?topic_id=22069

The Clock Tower is still leaking, the city can't find the building contracts, vendor names, nothing. The city insurance has been notified.

That information has to be available. How many sources have you checked John?
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Bob Kelley[/i]
[br]I guess we can expect it to fall down next?
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Originally posted by Houndog

Hasn't anyone seen Poltergiest?
When you build on hallowed ground, you must expect problems.





You know what would be scarier. The Houndog showing up, thinking it was still Kennys Cattlemans...and repeatedly saying 'Let me in. Let me in.'
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You know what would be scarier. The Houndog showing up, thinking it was still Kennys Cattlemans...and repeatedly saying 'Let me in. Let me in.'
And that, my friends, is how you end up being appointed to council.
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And someone once said "I just came in to get out of the cold" now we know the truth.
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I guess we can expect it to fall down next?
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Hasn't anyone seen Poltergiest?
When you build on hallowed ground, you must expect problems.





You know what would be scarier. The Houndog showing up, thinking it was still Kennys Cattlemans...and repeatedly saying 'Let me in. Let me in.'


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awwww cattalemans.....how i loved that place!
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Posted - 03/23/2011 :  11:55:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

What do you want for lowest bid? Besides are not most metal roofs guaranteed not to leak for 50 years?
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MFD50, what the article does not mention is the legal department is working on letters to all the involved parties and while the original docs might be in archives the builders book is in the assistant's office. Big thick binder with all of the information about the building and the clock etc.

It should have some form of warranty, my guess and this is strickly a guess, the issue comes in on who is responsible, is it a material issue or is it workmanship. My guess is also that there is going to be a lot of finger popinting going on during the whole process.

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Cattleman's was our location for coaches "meetings" back in the mid 90's when we would get back from road games. It is a travesty that it is gone
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Posted - 03/24/2011 :  07:19:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Thanks for the reply Bob. I figured something had to be going on to determine who was responsible to fix this problem.
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I think the point here is that council has expressed deep concerns about spending $200K for repairs on a building that should not be in the shape that it's in. From my understanding, there are more repairs that need to be made to the rest of the building that, in my opinion, are a result of the same shoddy workmanship as is seen in the clock tower.

Plus; I'm personally not about to vote to commit $200k of your money for something like this when we've got road repairs that are sorely needed.
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Posted - 03/24/2011 :  09:43:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I just can not believe that the tower couldn't be repaired for less than $50k. Once you bring in an architect, your costs go up because they have to make their fee plus all the generals and subs have to get paid.
I understand the problem isn't with the roof, but rather blowing water seeps into cracks in the walls and facade of the clock tower.

In my opinion, we don't need no stinken architect. Just some stop leak, mold killer and new drywall.

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Posted - 03/24/2011 :  09:48:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Who knew John Beagle was a structural engineer and could decide when an architect was needed or not.

They should have hired you from the beginning and saved some money!

If you have a simple solution that will fix the leak I am sure they are all ears.

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Posted - 03/24/2011 :  10:04:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse


Caulk is the answer.

I think they wanted an architect because they were considering lowering the tower and removing the clock. I like the clock.

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I think they wanted an architect because they were considering lowering the tower and removing the clock. I like the clock.

Not so. I believe "chopping down the clock tower" was a half-hearted off-the-cuff comment from Council member Stillman. The quote from the architect was for the clock tower as currently designed.

In previous meetings of council, we discussed foregoing the architect and getting quotes from general contractors, reducing the scope of design work, as well as other options.

Those efforts are still ongoing.

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Posted - 03/24/2011 :  10:21:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
[br]I like the clock.



It's 2011, everyone has a clock in their pocket on their cell phone.

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Posted - 03/24/2011 :  10:31:26 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

The clock has timeless aesthetic beauty. I would like it to stay.

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cms you are like an annoying gnat that just won't go away.


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[br]I like the clock.



It's 2011, everyone has a clock in their pocket on their cell phone.



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I'm not trying to be annoying. I just can't imagine needing to know the time and looking up to a clock on a building, it's 2011.

Nor do I really find that it adds any real element of beauty, but we can agree to disagree there. I look for toward functionality more than aesthetic beauty with things.

Back in the olden days, a clock like that served a purpose, not so much in 2011. I wear a watch and a cell phone. A digital display across the top of the building announcing meetings and events would be far more useful this day in age, but what do I know, I am just a gnat. Albeit a gnat that isn't stuck in the stone age.







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quote:
[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
[br]The clock has timeless aesthetic beauty. I would like it to stay.

And we can't have our annual "National Lampoon's European Vacation Appreciation Day" without it.
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Did you try the Duck Tape yet?
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[i]Originally posted by cmsquare[/i]
[br] I look for toward functionality more than aesthetic beauty with things.





I hope your wife doesn't read this forum. Unless, that is, she happens to be a five foot tall five five foot wide Eastern European peasant woman who can dig potatoes with one arm and scrub your clothes on a washboard with the other. Then she already knows you favor functionality over aesthetics. Ha.

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Yippeeeee! Finally! The condition of our roads AND the water system below them are VERY important to all the residents of Monroe! The entire community would benefit from this!

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[br]Plus; I'm personally not about to vote to commit $200k of your money for something like this when we've got road repairs that are sorely needed.

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No, expanding foam and saran wrap....Thats the closest thing we can find to the crap they built it out of.
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Did you try the Duck Tape yet?


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[br]No, expanding foam and saran wrap....Thats the closest thing we can find to the crap they built it out of.
If you're gonna go with name brand cling wrap I'm afraid you've set the bar too high.
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OK...I asked the question to our City Manager and he has responded as such:

"The majority of the damage is the cumulative effect of long term leaks and seepage. Work has been done to stop any water from pouring in. Other work can be done to button things up, but we would hope we can move forward on design and rehab soon so that we don’t have to double pay for work. Also, we only want to expose and remediate the mold once."

Thanks go to Mr. Brock for his rapid responses to my questions.

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Houndog[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by cmsquare[/i]
[br] I look for toward functionality more than aesthetic beauty with things.





I hope your wife doesn't read this forum. Unless, that is, she happens to be a five foot tall five five foot wide Eastern European peasant woman who can dig potatoes with one arm and scrub your clothes on a washboard with the other. Then she already knows you favor functionality over aesthetics. Ha.





My wife isn't a materiel item, so she doens't fall into that category.

Funny how John edits his post...he wants to call me a gnat but doesn't want to take credit for doing so. What is up with that John? You ooze passive aggressiveness, call me a gnat, it won't hurt my feelings, I've been called worse by better people.
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Thanks Steve!
This is excellent communication for the public!
Keep up the good work!

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[br]OK...I asked the question to our City Manager and he has responded as such:

"The majority of the damage is the cumulative effect of long term leaks and seepage. Work has been done to stop any water from pouring in. Other work can be done to button things up, but we would hope we can move forward on design and rehab soon so that we don’t have to double pay for work. Also, we only want to expose and remediate the mold once."

Thanks go to Mr. Brock for his rapid responses to my questions.

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[i]Originally posted by cmsquare[/i]
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quote:
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[br]I like the clock.



It's 2011, everyone has a clock in their pocket on their cell phone.





And that same phone will have the ability to show you a radar of the weather in your area. The clock tower is like The City of Monroe's "sticky" kinda an archaic way of doing things.
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[quote][i]Originally posted by Doc[/i]
[br]OK...I asked the question to our City Manager and he has responded as such:

"The majority of the damage is the cumulative effect of long term leaks and seepage."

Why is Bill talking about my underwear again?
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Why is Bill talking about my underwear again?
That tends to happens with age of buildings and people, it seems.
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This really isn't even a warranty issue, since its been leaking since the beginning and it was only discovered recently. The statute of limitations does not begin to run until a reasonable person would discover the error. Find the contractor and make them fix it for free and/or sue them. If they are out of business, bring suit against the dead entity and collect from their insurer. Its ridiculous that a modern building would have this problem.
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Dannyboy. That was my exact statement.

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Sorry, didn't have your council email address. Should I have sent it there?

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[br]Dannyboy. That was my exact statement.



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Got it, John.
I respondified.
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Thanks Steve. Got yours and respondified as well.


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[br]Got it, John.
I respondified.



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