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John Beagle
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Posted - 04/12/2012 :  2:01:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

The City of Monroe will pay just more than $1.6 million to the school district, of which $1.09 million of that payment is an advance from future payments. Six council persons voted in favor of the advance.

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If you got it, spend it. The $5 Million sitting in the General Fund isn't being used. Let's lend some out, free of charge, over a million dollars. Best of all, the schools don't have to put it in writing. Just come on in and ask, we'll worry about paperwork later.

Most on Council once again is going to show everyone that 'council does the right thing'. Monroe government will step in with taxpayer money.

"Fight SunCoke and save our schools, it's all in a days work."


All of council says there really isn't any debate, they all feel the same, all... except Todd.

What's wrong with Todd? Why does he always vote to not spend money when everyone else votes as if only one mind. Is someone controlling the thoughts of council? Does Todd have a tin foil hat?


Rest of council, do you mean to tell me that everyone is right and Todd is wrong? And what about our roads, our moldy city building and other city responsibilities to its employees and staff? Why does Suncoke and our schools take priority over city things?

All I ask is for someone on Council consider the other side of spending, once in awhile. Remember last year when the city was projecting a loss by 2014?

If we aren't careful, it could happen again.

John

PS. Hey, take a look at our $1.45 Million dollar beautification project at the interchange.


Construction began Tuesday March 6th on the Interchange Beautification Project. The contract for the project was awarded to Double Jay Construction out of Englewood, Ohio. The project includes the installation of large mixed season landscaping areas, lighting, decorative pillars, and decorative fencing that reads “MONROE” on it. The project costs approximately one million dollars of which 80% is funded through grants. The project is scheduled to be completed by October 31, 2012. Pictures will be posted on our website of the project as it progresses.

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Posted - 04/12/2012 :  2:50:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Pretty exit................to nothing.

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[i]Originally posted by zapp2525[/i]
[br]Pretty exit................to nothing.





LOL kinda like the bridge to nowhere!
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Happy HarperValley Rez
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Oh of course they did!
Not shocking though.
I do have to thank Todd for at least "hearing" concerned voices of the taxpayers in Monroe

No reason to pause or discuss it
After all... its easy to be giving in advance when it is everyone's tax dollars
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I am OK with this vote passing, I also understand the no vote on it. It does seem kinda hard to beat on the City Manager one week about pens and then a few weeks later give an advance to something that he doesn't control from the general fund.
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So wait, is the Council or Congress or anyone votes and it's near unanimous, does that mean that the lone dissenters are the voice of reason? Of course not. So let's not pretend that the rest of Council isn't hearing the voters and/or doing what they think is best.

We elected them to be on the Council and we can choose not to elect them if we don't think they're doing a good job but why pretend that the Council is suffering from some sort of group think that's damaging the city? I wasn't aware of any evidence on that.
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Matt_Steele[/i]
[br]So wait, is the Council or Congress or anyone votes and it's near unanimous, does that mean that the lone dissenters are the voice of reason? Of course not. So let's not pretend that the rest of Council isn't hearing the voters and/or doing what they think is best.

We elected them to be on the Council and we can choose not to elect them if we don't think they're doing a good job but why pretend that the Council is suffering from some sort of group think that's damaging the city? I wasn't aware of any evidence on that.



Really Matt. Have you missed the multi year conversation about Monroe being less than a good neighbor? About spending? About pulling links to businesses off the city website?

Maybe you need to get on here more often. The world of Monroe is passing you by.

"I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody" #BillCosby
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[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
Have you missed the multi year conversation about Monroe being less than a good neighbor? About spending? About pulling links to businesses off the city website?

Maybe you need to get on here more often. The world of Monroe is passing you by.

Yes Matt. You've missed (1) the conversations about the city having to raise taxes and lay off staff because there was NO way to balance out our forecasts without setting our collective hair on fire, (2) why we're a bad neighbor for being opposed to having a coke plant on our border, (3) how utterly urgent it is to have an HTML link on a government website.

Here's MY take on those discussions: (1) We righted the 5-year forecast and took action now to ensure that the 2014 potential didn't become reality - without anyone picking up their lighter. (2) In spite of a some folks's best efforts, public opinion as well as the direction of the council has stayed on course to see the Suncoke litigation to it's conclussion, and (3) Is this REALLY an issue anyone cares about other than one guy who is upset because his link was removed? There are FAR more frequently visited websites related to the city as a whole than the city's.
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[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Matt_Steele[/i]
[br]So wait, is the Council or Congress or anyone votes and it's near unanimous, does that mean that the lone dissenters are the voice of reason? Of course not. So let's not pretend that the rest of Council isn't hearing the voters and/or doing what they think is best.

We elected them to be on the Council and we can choose not to elect them if we don't think they're doing a good job but why pretend that the Council is suffering from some sort of group think that's damaging the city? I wasn't aware of any evidence on that.



Really Matt. Have you missed the multi year conversation about Monroe being less than a good neighbor? About spending? About pulling links to businesses off the city website?

Maybe you need to get on here more often. The world of Monroe is passing you by.



Not being a good neighbor is clearly a subjective issue and depends strictly upon your point of view and the perspective to which you side with. Middletown is a good neighbor even though they make hostile land grabs on neighboring municipalities which require extensive legal services to circumvent, build unwanted facilities by changing codes to fit their occasion, short change the existing system of government to assure the will of council cannot be challenged, neglect their citizens by wasting money on petty to personal issues all the while cutting services to their own citizens, and trying to thrust those shortcomings on their neighbors of which they have repeatedly used and abused, and the list goes on and on. There is not a requirement as some seem to think that we simply bend over and take whatever others want from us. I don't see anybody knocking on Monroe's door wanting to do us a favor, au contraire!

I would respectfully have to ask Mr. Hickman, exactly whose side are you on and whom do you represent? An occasional disagreement is perfectly OK but when you are against the majority on an ongoing basis, questions need to be asked as to why this situation is as it appears to be. Time will tell who gets it and who doesn't!

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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  09:55:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

When will the spending on Sunckoe come to a conclusion ?

And what is the total figure spent ?
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Don't ask! They have given the figures and have set aside approx $110,000 for this year (which may or may not be used or enough)
The number is so disgusting even they don't like to see it published.
It's all ok though...
I just wanna find that money tree they have to harvest for all of the expenses (known and unknown)for this year and in the future.
I need a start off of it...


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[br]When will the spending on Sunckoe come to a conclusion ?

And what is the total figure spent ?

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I represent the residents of Monroe. If the residents of Monroe want me to say yes at every item on the agenda then they have the choice not to vote for me in the next election. You say that I go against the majority on an ongoing basis which is not true. You are assuming that the majority of council votes how they feel. My votes are based on the information given to me and not because I'm afraid of what it looks like if I go against a few on council.

If the City Managers recommendation is not to give the advance of TIF funds then I will vote no. There has not been but a few times that the City Manager has done this. I now realize that this was exactly what the board wanted or the board would have asked the council for the advancement.

As for the SunCoke issue I asked one question 2 years ago and it was answered. With that one question and the fact that I promised not to waste taxpayer money if elected I voted no on continuing the SunCoke lawsuit.

The 63 extension issue was to reconsider looking at the Comprehensive Plan again. I don't see a problem with looking at this again. Looking at this is not the same as saying go ahead and start digging.

Each one of these issues will take its course and like you said "time will tell who gets it and who doesn't".
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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  10:37:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Would be a nice thing to add to the city website......How much and where our tax dollars are spent.
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As for the SunCoke issue I asked one question 2 years ago and it was answered.

Who did you ask? The folks that live next door to the plant, folks who live in Whispering Oaks?
Or was it the folks at Mount Pleasant? You know the ones with the AK Golden Egg retirement money!
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I would like to add one more issue that I forgot about. That issue was a Councilman living in Montgomery County for 9 months while being on council. That issue has passed and the intent was not there.
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[br]As for the SunCoke issue I asked one question 2 years ago and it was answered.

Who did you ask? The folks that live next door to the plant, folks who live in Whispering Oaks?
Or was it the folks at Mount Pleasant? You know the ones with the AK Golden Egg retirement money!

Attorney Client Privilege
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[i]Originally posted by buck35[/i]
[br]As for the SunCoke issue I asked one question 2 years ago and it was answered.

Who did you ask? The folks that live next door to the plant, folks who live in Whispering Oaks?
Or was it the folks at Mount Pleasant? You know the ones with the AK Golden Egg retirement money!



So your idea on Suncoke was drop the entire suit, cut your losses and run. I bet you didn't ask anyone on our side of town? Maybe it's just as well, since with the noise coming from that plant, we probably couldn't hear you anyway! I'm sure Suncoke is very happy with you, and would like some more just like you. (they tried and failed) And while we are at it, lets see if we can destroy the school by letting the state take over! Brilliant. You have certainly make a name for yourself and will be a lightning rod if you run again. I do forgive you as it is required of me to do so! I will never forget you though and look forward to the future.

for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  11:18:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

So how has the Suncoke lawsiut made your life better ?

Being that it is built and running now.
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[i]Originally posted by Todd[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by buck35[/i]
[br]As for the SunCoke issue I asked one question 2 years ago and it was answered.

Who did you ask? The folks that live next door to the plant, folks who live in Whispering Oaks?
Or was it the folks at Mount Pleasant? You know the ones with the AK Golden Egg retirement money!

Attorney Client Privilege



Odd you bring it up, but yet you invoke a attorney client privilege how convenient.
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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  11:26:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

You are assuming that I was willing to cut our loses and run. Now that would be a waste of taxpayers money and I just said I would not waste taxpayers money.
I have said many times that I was against the location of the SunCoke site.

If the school is taken over by the state it was not because of me.

If you feel like you are required to forgive me then please don't bother. I have forgiven you and I don't feel like I was required to do so.
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Todd[/i]
[br]You are assuming that I was willing to cut our loses and run. Now that would be a waste of taxpayers money and I just said I would not waste taxpayers money.
I have said many times that I was against the location of the SunCoke site.

If the school is taken over by the state it was not because of me.

If you feel like you are required to forgive me then please don't bother. I have forgiven you and I don't feel like I was required to do so.



You voted against continuing the lawsuit on multiple occasions! To interpret anything different would require a flip flop politicians brain! I'm against a lot of things and when I feel strongly about being against it I show it. You have a peculiar way of showing it. Oh, that's right, you are for some of the Monroe residents, but to hell with the rest, I get it now.


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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  12:30:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Let's not get stuck on suncoke. This isn't about suncoke.

This is about all of Monroe having representation on council.

There are a heck of allot more people in Monroe than 1/7 th of the population that agree with Todd's dissenting votes on many issues. Including loaning money to the schools.

It's politics in Monroe. Buying votes with taxpayer dollars. What's your pet project and how many voting friends do you have? I will do what it take to get elected. Just like Washington DC when the democrats had control of both houses and the executive branch. Yea, you can vote as if you have only one mind.

Those insignificant others are relegated to the back of the bus.


Todd, John and Pete

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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  12:41:39 PM  Show Profile  Send Matt_Steele an AOL message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

John,

If there are more than 1/7th of the citizens of Monroe who disagree, then I certainly look forward to changes on the Council at the next election. Can't they vote someone else in? Or is this vocal minority just overrun by the majority of citizens who agree with who is on Council?


p.s. I remember those conversations and issues and, if I remember correctly, even contributed some on some threads related to those issues on the Voice
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Looks like a good place for you & your boys.
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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  12:51:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
[br]Let's not get stuck on suncoke. This isn't about suncoke.
That's not what the big, bold text in your original post says.

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There are a heck of allot more people in Monroe than 1/7 th of the population that agree with Todd's dissenting votes on many issues. Including loaning money to the schools.
Well, given the voting results - the folks who agree with that political stance is right around 13.2%. 1/7th equals 14.2%. So...not only are there not a 'heck of a lot of people' who agree with you, there's less.

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It's politics in Monroe. Buying votes with taxpayer dollars. What's your pet project and how many voting friends do you have? I will do what it take to get elected.
I would have bet quite a few dollars that you had more class than to accuse City Council of wholesale corruption. Guess I would have lost THAT bet. It's really sad that you can make statements like that and not even give it a second thought.

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Todd, John and Pete
Why do you portray Todd as licking the window?
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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  1:09:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

"That's not what the big, bold text in your original post says." - Doc
Nope, its got 2 issue, not one single issue.

"Well, given the voting results - the folks who agree with that political stance is right around 13.2%. 1/7th equals 14.2%. So...not only are there not a 'heck of a lot of people' who agree with you, there's less." - Doc

What about all those votes for Susan? How does that work in your little formula.

"...you had more class than to accuse City Council of wholesale corruption." -Doc
I'm surprised you are calling me classless. You sir are nothing but a human sock puppet.

How's that for a comeback. Classy enough fer ya?

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Nope, its got 2 issue, not one single issue.
So it's partially about Suncoke then?

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What about all those votes for Susan? How does that work in your little formula.
It doesn't. You fully backed and supported the 13.2% candidacy. That platform aligns directly with the >1/7th statement that you're speculating.

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I'm surprised you are calling me classless.
Saying that you have less class than I counted on does not equate "classless." You, sir, have reading comprehension issues.

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You sir are nothing but a human sock puppet.
Yeah. That's how you do it.

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How's that for a comeback. Classy enough fer ya?
About what I expected, honestly.
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Posted - 04/13/2012 :  1:30:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Just funnin ya Doc. You're really not a sock puppet. And I know for a fact that you work harder than Ann Romney. She's never worked a day in her life.


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Good for her, I wish I could say the same thing.
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"I'm against a lot of things and when I feel strongly about being against it I show it."

me too...........:)

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[i]Originally posted by buck35[/i]
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[i]Originally posted by Todd[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by buck35[/i]
[br]As for the SunCoke issue I asked one question 2 years ago and it was answered.

Who did you ask? The folks that live next door to the plant, folks who live in Whispering Oaks?
Or was it the folks at Mount Pleasant? You know the ones with the AK Golden Egg retirement money!

Attorney Client Privilege



Odd you bring it up, but yet you invoke a attorney client privilege how convenient.

Why do you cut on residents who live in Mount Pleasant?

The person who answered my question was not a resident of Monroe.
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I can't see cutting on Mount Pleasant folks because they are loyal to Armco. Heaven forbid someone would see loyalty as a good trait. They're entitled to their opinion.
And they didn't put a gun to anyone's head to get the retirement they got.

"There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary, and those that don't."
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Hey Todd those aren't my words watch John's video below!



When you ran for council you hit Mount Pleasant hard and played the SunCoke issue. There's no doubt in my mind that's what you did. Question will you come around the west side of Munroe if you run again.

Bob just keep throwing out those sound bites and maybe one day John will find a seat for you on the back of the bus with his gang.
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John said I didn't have to ride in the back of the bus............:(

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I was there for longer then 9 months, but bending facts and using half truths are key elements in true political form. Todd, I sat next you for many a council meeting and you voted NO on a lot more than those 3 issues. Your inability to work within the council to solve issues was very evident. I believe you wanted to make a name for yourself by fighting the council. I think you have archive that goal, I am just not sure what that name is. I believe you had an agenda even when you posted on here under another name to stir up issue and start your political career.

one more note, you have taken shots at me on a few occasions and I am not even there any more. Maybe you should spend a little of that time on the current issue at hand and learn to work for your constituents and within the context of council to solve issue instead of trying to become one.

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[br]I would like to add one more issue that I forgot about. That issue was a Councilman living in Montgomery County for 9 months while being on council. That issue has passed and the intent was not there.


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Politicians and councilmembers, past and present, posting sniping comments on a blog? You don't see this in bigger towns. Only in Monroe...
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Posted - 04/16/2012 :  09:31:42 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Bill[/i]
[br]Politicians and councilmembers, past and present, posting sniping comments on a blog? You don't see this in bigger towns. Only in Monroe...



Hugely wrong.

for example on MiddletownUSA's forum we have Marcia Andrew as a regular poster. Here is a sample of one of her posts:

"I am at work right now and do not have time for a lengthy response. However, there are a lot of inaccurate statements being made about the salary list and admin employees. First, the Journal list is based on old data. For example, it lists Dennis Newell, the former high school principal (and it lists him as a teacher). Carmela Cotter has been the high school principal since last July. We hired a new Treasurer last August, whose salary is approximately $85,000. I don't know why the list does..."

When public officials allow false information to exist on a local public site, they owe it to their constituents to respond and set the record straight.

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No wonder nothing can get done, to busy acting like they are in grade school.
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Bill
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I don't believe any Middletown councilmembers post anything (at least under their own name) and you certainly don't see it on cincinnati.com. Ms. Andrew is the exception not the rule. But, yes, I agree that constituents ought to hear more from their representatives via this format.
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Posted - 04/16/2012 :  10:28:40 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[i]Originally posted by Bill[/i]
[br]I don't believe any Middletown councilmembers post anything (at least under their own name) and you certainly don't see it on cincinnati.com. Ms. Andrew is the exception not the rule. But, yes, I agree that constituents ought to hear more from their representatives via this format.



Wrong again. Are you not paying attention? Where do you get those facts?

We have mayors, council people, superintendents, school treasurers and school board members posting on The MiddletownUSA Forum and The Voice over the past decade plus.

I have been operating these websites since 1999. I have plenty of facts to support my statement. But I'm not going to waste my time on your false and misleading statement.

Why don't you use your real name in your profile? I'll tell you why, you know you are posting a lie. But in the name of love your neighbor and turning the other cheek, have at it. You are my neighbor, right?


"I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody" #BillCosby
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[i]Originally posted by Tracy[/i]
[br]I was there for longer then 9 months, but bending facts and using half truths are key elements in true political form. Todd, I sat next you for many a council meeting and you voted NO on a lot more than those 3 issues. Your inability to work within the council to solve issues was very evident. I believe you wanted to make a name for yourself by fighting the council. I think you have archive that goal, I am just not sure what that name is. I believe you had an agenda even when you posted on here under another name to stir up issue and start your political career.

one more note, you have taken shots at me on a few occasions and I am not even there any more. Maybe you should spend a little of that time on the current issue at hand and learn to work for your constituents and within the context of council to solve issue instead of trying to become one.

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[br]I would like to add one more issue that I forgot about. That issue was a Councilman living in Montgomery County for 9 months while being on council. That issue has passed and the intent was not there.



How long did you live in Montgomery County while being on council? I did not know the exact date but I knew it was longer than 9 months. I was told almost a year. You still renting that place on Sands for a dollar? Bending facts and using half truths are key elements in true political form.


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