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bobpreston
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Would you like America to succeed right now Bob?


Would you like to see this president succeed?

It seems like very much in the same way; YOU wish American to fail. Shame on you.
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Posted - 04/26/2012 :  08:40:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I come across very harsh on forums lately. You all know why? Because the forums all all have gotten so polarized. The extremist powers at be have succeeded in brainwashing most people to the extreme position that they, individually, are susceptible to. We now have idiots, on both sides, contaminating the forum conversations and I am very sick of it and thus, I speak out harshly against the idiocy.

Bob is such an idiot. He certainly is a Right wing idiot, but he could just as easily be a left wing wacko on a Liberal site.

Bob...YOU are destroying America. The sad thing is, you are TOO dumb to know it!
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Posted - 04/26/2012 :  08:41:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I think the title to this thread would be better named "Politicians want America to fail".
What's wrong with this country is too many politicians focused on how to get re-elected and not serving the people. That's on both sides of the aisle.
If I knew it would work, I'd be in favor of a clean sweep in Washington this November, and get real people, with successful business skills in office, but I'm afraid I'd just be wasting my votes.

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Posted - 04/26/2012 :  09:31:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by lrisner[/i]
[br]I come across very harsh on forums lately. You all know why? Because the forums all all have gotten so polarized. The extremist powers at be have succeeded in brainwashing most people to the extreme position that they, individually, are susceptible to. We now have idiots, on both sides, contaminating the forum conversations and I am very sick of it and thus, I speak out harshly against the idiocy.

Bob is such an idiot. He certainly is a Right wing idiot, but he could just as easily be a left wing wacko on a Liberal site.

Bob...YOU are destroying America. The sad thing is, you are TOO dumb to know it!



Well said. Well, all but the calling bobpreston an idiot. That doesn't help anything. Bob is entitled to his own opinion. It doesn't make him an idiot, just makes his view different than yours.
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Posted - 04/26/2012 :  09:46:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[i]Originally posted by lrisner[/i]
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Bob is such an idiot. He certainly is a Right wing idiot, but he could just as easily be a left wing wacko on a Liberal site.

Bob...YOU are destroying America. The sad thing is, you are TOO dumb to know it!




well said
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Posted - 04/26/2012 :  12:25:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[i]Originally posted by hornetparentof2[/i]
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Would you like to see this president succeed?




If odumbo succeeds then America fails. I will stick with I want odumbo to fail so America succeeds.

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Posted - 04/26/2012 :  12:27:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[i]Originally posted by lrisner[/i]
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Bob...YOU are destroying America. The sad thing is, you are TOO dumb to know it!



Glad with all your hatred you cared to summarize how I am destroying America. Guess you should seek help for your anger problems!
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Posted - 04/26/2012 :  2:45:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Your right, Bob. I am angry. I am angry the SAME way I would have been angry if I had been living in Salem during the Witch Trials, or in Germany during the the Third Reich. I am not saying you are like the Judges that hung women or even somewhat like Hitler, but you clearly are like the stupid people that went along with what those evils ones wanted to do and consequently enabled them.

To those that suggest name calling doesn't work, it does.....call it like it is. Bob can't be very bright and fall for the nonsense that he espouses. Bob's having a different opinion is one thing, being a Ted Nugent or Alec Baldwin IDIOT is another.

Please note the Liberal wacko reference (Alec)to demonstrate my fairness in the idiocy labeling game. How does it feel Bob to be a conservative Alec Baldwin?
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You are arguing with the figment of the Voice.
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America has already failed.......just most are too ignorant to see it and believe they can stop what already has happened...

The only thing keeping the box together is Federal money being doled out to states , once this stops......Each state will begin fighting for power....Already each state acts like it own little country making laws and circumventing US Constitution via democratic vote to the so-called state constitution. The Federal has maintained control by doling out money with mandates..





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[i]Originally posted by Poff[/i]
[br]America has already failed.......just most are too ignorant to see it and believe they can stop what already has happened...

The only thing keeping the box together is Federal money being doled out to states , once this stops......Each state will begin fighting for power....Already each state acts like it own little country making laws and circumventing US Constitution via democratic vote to the so-called state constitution. The Federal has maintained control by doling out money with mandates..










There is a lot of truth in what you say. I don't completely agree, but the jist of your comment is valid. The root of my "anger" can be found in your comment however as I see the Bobs of the world being the manipulated fools of those behind our problems. If the Bobs can be motivate to "spread" the word, so to speak, then the controversial they cause will help take the Public's eye off the real issue. BOTH sides do this. It is not a left/Right thing.

Maybe if we could get passed all the stupidity (like Bush ordering 911 to happen, or Bamy's birth certificate issue) then we MIGHT actually start moving in the right direction.


So....SHUT UP Bob!
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FO
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Posted - 04/27/2012 :  06:05:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by lrisner[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Poff[/i]
[br]America has already failed.......just most are too ignorant to see it and believe they can stop what already has happened...

The only thing keeping the box together is Federal money being doled out to states , once this stops......Each state will begin fighting for power....Already each state acts like it own little country making laws and circumventing US Constitution via democratic vote to the so-called state constitution. The Federal has maintained control by doling out money with mandates..










There is a lot of truth in what you say. I don't completely agree, but the jist of your comment is valid. The root of my "anger" can be found in your comment however as I see the Bobs of the world being the manipulated fools of those behind our problems. If the Bobs can be motivate to "spread" the word, so to speak, then the controversial they cause will help take the Public's eye off the real issue. BOTH sides do this. It is not a left/Right thing.

Maybe if we could get passed all the stupidity (like Bush ordering 911 to happen, or Bamy's birth certificate issue) then we MIGHT actually start moving in the right direction.


So....SHUT UP Bob!



I hope that was sarcasim about Bush because if not..........
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Posted - 04/27/2012 :  07:41:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Democrats don't want America to fail, but when given a choice of staying in power or fail, they will, and have opted to stay in power. This is our future. How it all plays out is anybodies guess, but it will be ugly, to catastrophic as we are sailing into uncharted waters of unprecedented magnitude.

Spain has elected a conservative government, but alias, it is too late, as the sins of its socialist past have overwhelmed and sealed their fate. They are doomed, but for a bailout. Italy and France are next, and Greece will fail again, as the domino's continue. There is no such thing as a bailout for the US.

Spain unemployment rises to 24.4 percent in Q1

MADRID (AP) -- Official figures show that unemployment in Spain has risen to 24.4 percent in the Q1 from 22.9 percent in the fourth quarter of 2011.


Late Thursday, S&P became the first of three leading credit rating agencies to strip Spain of an A rating. It cited a worsening in Spain's budget deficit and poor economic prospects for its decision to reduce the rating by two notches from A to BBB+.

The downgrade put Spain's credit rating at the same level as Italy. S&P now has Spain on a BBB+ rating, which means and is only a few notches above a junk rating.

There are even concerns that France, the second-biggest eurozone economy, could face another downgrade from S&P after the presidential elections next Sunday, in which Socialist candidate Francois Hollande is tipped to defeat President Nicolas Sarkozy.

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A friend of mine sent this to me and I think it's pretty good.



One night a weary traveler stops in at the Sleep Inn hotel in Lexington to rent a room for 3 nights..

He decides, for whatever reason, that Sleep Inn doesn’t suit him.
Maybe the rate was too high. Or the air conditioning was out. Or the breakfast was cold. Or he felt the bathroom had not been cleaned.

For whatever reason, he complains to the desk clerk. The desk clerk is disinterested and unyielding and the guest packs his things and says, checking out 2 days early, “I will never stay at a Sleep Inn as long as I live. You’ve made your last dime off of me!”

And he storms out.

Still steaming, he stops at the Super 8 down the road. As he checks in, he unloads all his frustrations with Sleep Inn on the Super 8 desk clerk and repeats, “That’s the last time I’m ever making that mistake.
Sleep Inn won’t see another cent from me!”

The remaining two nights he sleeps satisfied at Super 8 just knowing he didn’t stay at Sleep Inn.

This hasn’t happened. But it could. At least it hasn’t happened to me.

What the weary traveler does not know is that both Sleep Inn and Super
8 are owned by the same man. He may not have put that “dime” in his left pocket, but he put it in his right.

In fact, the same man owns the Quality Inn. And 5 other hotels in this town. A few more and he’ll have a monopoly.

When I said, “This hasn’t happened”, I meant that it hasn’t happened to me at this hotel. But it has happened.

It’s happened whenever you switched political parties in this generation, thinking you were “showing” the old party by adopting the new. The joke is on us. Sure, one is incrementally better than the other. Yes, one has a more palatable style of tyranny than the other.
But both the Republican and the Democratic Parties have had their turns on and off throughout the 20th century without bringing us to a different place.

At the end of every Republican administration, the scope and scale of government abroad is larger and the deficit higher. After every Democratic administration, government’s scale and scope is larger at home and the deficit is higher. Both parties spend money they don’t have, erode your liberties, shred the Constitution when it stands in their way and you end up deeper in debt and less free.

You can go Sleep Inn or you can go Super 8. Either way, the same people win and you lose. You can vote for OBAMA or for AMABO this year with either of the major parties’ nominees. Folks, they’re hustling both sides of the street. Politicians are not going to save this country. You will.

Or you won’t.

God help us!
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Posted - 04/27/2012 :  08:49:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Very well said, dad0f3.

retiredmilitary, I think the poster was saying that people need to get over the stupidity of thinking that Bush ordered 9/11 and the stupidity surrounding the Obama birth certificate.
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Posted - 04/27/2012 :  11:03:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

"So....SHUT UP Bob!" -lrisner

You needn't tell Bob or anyone else that they can't post their thoughts on here. If you have a problem with someone, please use the abuse button to privately report a problem.


"Bob is entitled to his own opinion. It doesn't make him an idiot, just makes his view different than yours." vegasmayor

I agree with vm, well put!

"Politicians are not going to save this country. You will. Or you won’t." -dadof3

Interesting analogy, thanks for posting!

"I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody" #BillCosby
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
[br]"So....SHUT UP Bob!" -lrisner

You needn't tell Bob or anyone else that they can't post their thoughts on here. If you have a problem with someone, please use the abuse button to privately report a problem.


"Bob is entitled to his own opinion. It doesn't make him an idiot, just makes his view different than yours." vegasmayor

I agree with vm, well put!



"Politicians are not going to save this country. You will. Or you won’t." -dadof3

Interesting analogy, thanks for posting!



Get over yourself John. it was a joke. HOWEVER!!! I doubt you would have ever said that to someone berating a Liberal on this site. Unfortunately one of the greatest tragedies in the development of the internet is the very common practice of a site operator letting his/her personal political opinion "guide" what is or is not acceptable behavior on THEIR site.

I truly believe IF Bob had told a liberal (I am not a liberal, by the way. I am a sane conservative)to "shut up", it would have went right over your head. I will NEVER be a participate in a site who's whole purpose is to promote a narrow view.So, please don't let John Beagle's conservative view shape the site.

Oh, yea....Bob....FO! (Why didn't John notice that?)mmmmmm....could I be right?
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Posted - 04/28/2012 :  3:19:39 PM  Show Profile  Send Matt_Steele an AOL message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

This site definitely leans much more conservative and antagonizing liberals generally get run off, I think it's a combination of the audience of the site and the moderating part of it. I definitely feel that Bob is much more protected than CMS ever was by moderators. I don't care enough to click the abuse button or the ignore button for that matter. But I agree with a lot of lrisner on this thread.


Regardless, I just wish we could get past all of this America failing stuff. It's preposterous really. What is America failing? Is it no longer being the sole superpower in the world? That was unsustainable no matter what course of action we would have taken the past 40 years. But how are we failing exactly? We have BY FAR the most advanced military ever, sometimes our strategies or decisions about where to engage might be questionable, but our military superiority shouldn't be overlooked (China just now got an aircraft carrier fyi).

Our economic pull in the world, while suffering a bit due to the most recent recession, still influences ALL markets in the world. Our political influence is respected, our international development work is appreciated and our support for emerging countries and leaders, while not perfect, is vital.

I guess I'm just not quite sure how we are failing exactly and what is the standard of success we're using here.


That said, if you think politicians are failing us then why don't we start with not voting for the incumbent? Maybe refuse to let any representative in our district or senator in our state serve more than two terms? Instead people keep bitching about politicians failing us and Washington being corrupt but keep electing the same people in. So if politicians are really failing us, it's not their fault, it's yours and the American people for continuously voting them in.
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@Matt..............You know why we have National Parks?
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Ha! Well I feel pretty confident about the history behind it but I would love to hear your thoughts
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[br]Ha! Well I feel pretty confident about the history behind it but I would love to hear your thoughts



Really no thoughts...........Just facts.

Civilian Conservation Corps

The Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), brainchild of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's "New Deal," began in April 1933 to revive the lagging economy and marked a renewed interest in the conservation of natural resources. The CCC, founded to provide outdoor work for millions of young unemployed men, later was expanded to include World War I veterans and American Indian tribal members. The first CCC camp, appropriately named Camp Roosevelt, began operation in the late spring of 1933 on Virginia George Washington National Forest. Thousands of other camps were established in national and State parks and refuges, national monuments, soil conservation districts, and other areas.


And now today, since 2009 we have had the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act . Roughly seventy five years later we are in the same mess using the same tactics ....Thinking the increase of spending public dollars when the spending of private dollars decreases will solve the problems longterm...

Actually if you research, you will find a stimulus package or bailout was needed about every ten years in one form or another...

Democracy is a failure and will always be, do you think those who work or depend a public entity will vote themselves out of a job or profit?

As far as your comment in the other thread about doomsday preppers, a freezer full of beef has a higher return then a $10,000 CD or a savings account....Buying engine oil and reselling it two months later has a better return then most retirement accounts.

But hey........Believe what you want, I do.

One scary thought...........1/2 the high school grads read below average and have low math skills.......You expect them to make informed decision and vote? Their vote will be influenced by the best halftime ad, nascar commerical or employer newsletter....

America has failed it's people and it's future , we are recovering. The SSI ponzi scheme and other entitlement programs for the greater good never took into consideration the loss of Peter's income.

Yes, this government which gives us what we need , makes a great infrastructure and built a superior military...........Missed one important detail...

What happens when Peter has no more money to give.....??
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quote:
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One scary thought...........1/2 the high school grads read below average and have low math skills.......You expect them to make informed decision and vote? Their vote will be influenced by the best halftime ad, nascar commerical or employer newsletter....




Well I won't go after all of the inaccuracies here (people are less easily influenced as you might think) but I agree, people with low reading and math skills are a HUGE worry. Which is why we need to stress that so much more. Forget this silly idea of standardized tests and actually teach something. We need to increase funding in research and development, NASA etc. We need to put more of a focus on academics in schools and less on athletics. Make colleges more inexpensive!

If America has a downfall, it will be because we stop being the world's leader in science, technology, research, exploration etc. I don't see that happening too soon, but that's what I think we need to do.


Anyway as for everything else you say about the parks etc, it's strange that they would start in 1933 when the National Park System was founded in 1916.

I'm guessing you're making some sort of point about how we spent federal dollars back in the 1930's and we're doing the same thing now. Seems a bit weak to me.

So many people in this country seem to be living scared. I just can't get behind that. I'm definitely an optimist but I also can't find a reason to be so scared about the future of this country.
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[i]Originally posted by Matt_Steele[/i]
Well I won't go after all of the inaccuracies here


I doubt you will find any inaccuracies in my posts....Anything is possible though..

Enlighten me...
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Here is some entertaining reading fo whoever cares....

Although dwell on this comment...."Over one million children drop out of school each year, costing the nation over $240 billion in lost earnings, forgone tax revenues, and expenditures for social services."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/top-reading_n_1373680.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5juGFSx9LiPaur6eO1KJAypB2ImVQ

http://www.readfaster.com/education_stats.asp

The info is out there for those who choose to research......it's not like you need a PhD in political science to figure it out...

If the educational level is not raised and graduates cannot attain a job any greater than min wage ..Then the whole SSI ponzi scheme crashes and burns....If one million drop outs cost them $240 billion......What you think one year of grads not finding employment costs them.... ? You think our current system can maintain all entitlement programs , military, and public infrastructure on the taxes generated from flipping hamburgers, selling cars and selling alcohol......

If everything fell in place today you would still be looking at 10 years for complete recovery ......But see there are sectors still failing and cannot begin recovery until they bottom..

You think the banking system has hit bottom.......? Not even close, they are scrambling and jockeying for position.....They have to wait for an influx of new creditworthy buyers......But wait they can only get min wage jobs, therefore not able to qualify for that home loan or come up with down payment..Why is that?

Food for thought..........You know how many people earning $50,000 a year it took to generate enough SSI to pay for my Grandfather's open heart surgery, pacemaker and 45 day hospital stay....Thank you all.

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http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/middletown-news/economy-improves-but-outlook-mixed-1367913.html

"The Buckeye Institute’s Lawson said it could take nearly a decade to get back to that level, even under ideal conditions.

“Even if we had blistering economic growth, which we’re not having, we’re still at least five years away’’ from peak employment levels, he said.

Using job-growth rates from the 1990s boom era, Lawson said, Ohio employment would return to peak levels by 2017. But most likely, a full recovery won’t happen until the early 2020s. "

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[br]http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/middletown-news/economy-improves-but-outlook-mixed-1367913.html

"The Buckeye Institute’s Lawson said it could take nearly a decade to get back to that level, even under ideal conditions.

“Even if we had blistering economic growth, which we’re not having, we’re still at least five years away’’ from peak employment levels, he said.

Using job-growth rates from the 1990s boom era, Lawson said, Ohio employment would return to peak levels by 2017. But most likely, a full recovery won’t happen until the early 2020s. "





And just how unlikely is blistering economic growth to happen again like in the 90's which used elements of a perfect storm to create economic gains, the likes of which might not see again.

Which very well could lead us to an abnormal situation being the norm especially when coupled with the wrong policies or even worse, no policy that keeps up with the times. Tax reform on all levels is needed, not to tax the rich, but to make a level playing field and encourage economic development, along with taking full advantage of the cards dealt us. (I believe this to be Obama's biggest failing) Just a story from yesterday about Apple (which has been the engine of the market this year) and how they use and abuse a system that in the end, hurts everyone, yet they are merely playing the game, but since they are not a dirty greedy oil company, and a sexy tech company, it goes completly unnoticed and ignored. I will even give you a liberal point of view so as to attain more credibility with my left wing friends. Also, not to pick on Apple, they are all doing it as reference by the fourth paragraph. So, they pay less than Romney, plus, a good chunk of what they pay is to foriegn governments. Loopholes from the highest taxed country in the world.

Apple's Tax Strategy Cuts Its Tax Bill By Billions A Year: Report

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/28/apples-tax-strategy-aims-_n_1461603.html



NEW YORK — A published report says Apple Inc. uses subsidiaries in Ireland, the Netherlands and other low-tax nations as part of a strategy that enables the technology giant to cut its global tax bill by billions of dollars every year.

The New York Times on Sunday outlined legal methods used by Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple to avoid paying billions of dollars in federal and state taxes.

One approach highlighted in the report: Even though the company is based in California, Apple has set up a small office in Reno, Nev. to collect and invest its profits. The corporate tax rate in Nevada is zero. In California, it's 8.84 percent.

The 71 technology companies in the S&P 500, including Apple, Google, Yahoo Inc. and Dell Inc., reported paying global cash taxes over the past two years at a rate that's, on average, one-third less than other S&P 500 companies, the Times said.

The newspaper says Apple paid $3.3 billion in cash taxes globally on $34.2 billion in profits last year. That's a tax rate of 9.8 percent.

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Poff[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Matt_Steele[/i]
Well I won't go after all of the inaccuracies here


I doubt you will find any inaccuracies in my posts....Anything is possible though..

Enlighten me...



Haha besides the fact that the National Park system was created 17 years earlier?

Anyway my inaccuracies comment was more directed about the fact that you think people have to have a high school education to make informed decisions about how to vote. I understand the allure of thinking that dumb people are easily swayed by rhetoric but until you can show me some evidence that dumb people don't make informed decisions when voting then this point is moot.

Besides, what is an informed decision anyway? (cue the snarky comments now)
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Well I won't go after all of the inaccuracies here


I doubt you will find any inaccuracies in my posts....Anything is possible though..

Enlighten me...



Haha besides the fact that the National Park system was created 17 years earlier?

Anyway my inaccuracies comment was more directed about the fact that you think people have to have a high school education to make informed decisions about how to vote. I understand the allure of thinking that dumb people are easily swayed by rhetoric but until you can show me some evidence that dumb people don't make informed decisions when voting then this point is moot.

Besides, what is an informed decision anyway? (cue the snarky comments now)



Well................I never said anything about when the NPS was created. Did I? This goes back to the reading comprehension I was talking about.
OK fine, you don't agree I can understand that. I have seen throughout life some people cannot be swayed until a life altering event happens to them or a large sum of money is extracted from their pockets. Time will tell.

"Besides, what is an informed decision anyway? "

An informed decision is what you think is the correct decision based on your opinion or opinions of others. There are no facts in life , just opinions.

Buy anyhow back to the dumb people comment...........No where did I state that dumb people cannot make an informed decision, you assumed I was implying that.

Maybe I should have worded it like this.......

1/2 the high school grads read below average and have low math skills.......You expect them to make informed decision on their own and vote? Their vote will be influenced by the best halftime ad, nascar commerical , employer newsletter or someone elses opinion.


But to get down to the nitty gritty , everyone makes an informed decision limited by their ability, education level or beliefs..








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Well................I never said anything about when the NPS was created. Did I? This goes back to the reading comprehension I was talking about.
OK fine, you don't agree I can understand that. I have seen throughout life some people cannot be swayed until a life altering event happens to them or a large sum of money is extracted from their pockets. Time will tell.

Well there might be some confusion because you asked about the history of the national parks system and neglected to mention mah boy Woodrow Wilson and the organic act of 1916.
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Screw "informed" decisions. The political party system creates a nice handy reference and framework for knowing who to vote for. If your opinions align with the democratic party, then vote for the democrat. If they match the republican party then vote for the republican.

That way you don't need to do any research and can simply vote down party lines.

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Ha! Sorry for making assumption that when you asked me "why we have national parks" I thought you were talking about the origin and not some strange diversion into the CCC.

Also, going back to that, it almost sounds as if you're connecting the Great Depression and the tactics used then to the most recent recession? As if they were the same and that you can connect some minor aspects of each of them to draw together a grand conclusion.

Sigh.... ok, well let me say this again. Show me the evidence of ("dumb" or let's say 1/2 of high school grad) people's voting being influenced by advertisements or an employee newsletter. Don't assume that people (regardless of their intelligence) are not capable of making an "informed" decision by themselves.

The evidence is pretty abundant, for starters, take a look at the American Voter series. People almost always vote to maximize their utility. Meaning that they vote for whomever or whatever they think will bring them the most benefit.
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[br]Ha! Sorry for making assumption that when you asked me "why we have national parks" I thought you were talking about the origin and not some strange diversion into the CCC.

Also, going back to that, it almost sounds as if you're connecting the Great Depression and the tactics used then to the most recent recession? As if they were the same and that you can connect some minor aspects of each of them to draw together a grand conclusion.

Sigh.... ok, well let me say this again. Show me the evidence of ("dumb" or let's say 1/2 of high school grad) people's voting being influenced by advertisements or an employee newsletter. Don't assume that people (regardless of their intelligence) are not capable of making an "informed" decision by themselves.

The evidence is pretty abundant, for starters, take a look at the American Voter series. People almost always vote to maximize their utility. Meaning that they vote for whomever or whatever they think will bring them the most benefit.



Oh Matt, why I decide to respond these frivolous comments is beyond me ......These days I just have so much to do. I guess it is a form of entertainment to clear my mind.

Never did I reference dumb/stupid(I am assuming you connect the two as the same based on your comments, thus the "either/or")

I can agree with your statement about "American Voter" series. Yes the dumb/stupid will vote to bring them them most benefit because the dumb do not have the capacity to learn, they respond to a stimuli. One can reason a dog learns , because the animal responds to a command. But in reality the animal has a conditioned response to a stimuli. IE: No sit, No treat, same as No vote, No treat.

Whereas an informed voter can make decisions based on research , opinions , life experiences and reasoning.

Just because a voter is ignorant of the campaign/party/idea does not make the voter dumb, just uninformed either by lack of willing to learn or the ability to understand.

But yes, the dumb and also the ignorant will vote to maximize the benefits to themselves, because self preservation is an ingrained response when there is no other options known to them...

One must think..... imagine if the only voter were those who could pass a proficiency test.

One day it will become clear why many professors don't vote...It is a conditioned response


Ok off to the BallGames, see ya next time..........
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[i]Originally posted by Matt_Steele[/i]
[br]Ha! Sorry for making assumption that when you asked me "why we have national parks" I thought you were talking about the origin and not some strange diversion into the CCC.

Also, going back to that, it almost sounds as if you're connecting the Great Depression and the tactics used then to the most recent recession? As if they were the same and that you can connect some minor aspects of each of them to draw together a grand conclusion.

Sigh.... ok, well let me say this again. Show me the evidence of ("dumb" or let's say 1/2 of high school grad) people's voting being influenced by advertisements or an employee newsletter. Don't assume that people (regardless of their intelligence) are not capable of making an "informed" decision by themselves.

The evidence is pretty abundant, for starters, take a look at the American Voter series. People almost always vote to maximize their utility. Meaning that they vote for whomever or whatever they think will bring them the most benefit.



Oh Matt, why I decide to respond these frivolous comments is beyond me ......These days I just have so much to do. I guess it is a form of entertainment to clear my mind.

Never did I reference dumb/stupid(I am assuming you connect the two as the same based on your comments, thus the "either/or")

I can agree with your statement about "American Voter" series. Yes the dumb/stupid will vote to bring them them most benefit because the dumb do not have the capacity to learn, they respond to a stimuli. One can reason a dog learns , because the animal responds to a command. But in reality the animal has a conditioned response to a stimuli. IE: No sit, No treat, same as No vote, No treat.

Whereas an informed voter can make decisions based on research , opinions , life experiences and reasoning.

Just because a voter is ignorant of the campaign/party/idea does not make the voter dumb, just uninformed either by lack of willing to learn or the ability to understand.

But yes, the dumb and also the ignorant will vote to maximize the benefits to themselves, because self preservation is an ingrained response when there is no other options known to them...

One must think..... imagine if the only voter were those who could pass a proficiency test.

One day it will become clear why many professors don't vote...It is a conditioned response


Ok off to the BallGames, see ya next time..........




Ha! Well I'm glad I can provide you with vast amounts of entertainment but I think you're very wrong about the nature of how/why people vote and how "informed" they are and I think the evidence is very much on my side.

I'm not sure you can show me any evidence of the separation between "informed" and "uninformed" voters and how they vote and who they vote for.
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[brHa! Well I'm glad I can provide you with vast amounts of entertainment but I think you're very wrong about the nature of how/why people vote and how "informed" they are and I think the evidence is very much on my side.

I'm not sure you can show me any evidence of the separation between "informed" and "uninformed" voters and how they vote and who they vote for.



Well.............I must agree. I wonder if we could get a grant to study this theory we both have.
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I know for sure what Dem's want... and that's to reduce each segment of our society into Gov dependency.

At the moment their current target is women!

I Am More Than My Vagina!
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