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Posted - 07/31/2012 :  5:35:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

The sides have chimed in with over 10 different threads, hundreds of posts from dozens of posters. All in all nearly 3000 Monroe Area IPs have logged on to The Voice in the past 30 days. That's nearly 25% of the households in Monroe. And it could be argued that out of that 25% a high percentage are likely AND informed voters. Additional households in Middletown, Liberty and Lemon Townships have read stories about the most recent Monroe school levy.

The media is very interested in what is being said by Monroe residents. John Bombatch of the Middletown Journal has been soliciting our readers to help him with a Journal new story.

Continued: http://www.mainstreetmonroe.com/articles/school-levy-debate-goes-down-to-the-wire

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Opposing sides debate how to solve Monroe fiscal emergency

By John Bombatch
Staff Writer
Both sides agree the Monroe School District has to deal with its financial issues. Why the problem exists and how it should be fixed appears to be where the two sides part.
Placed in “fiscal emergency” by the state auditor’s office in May, and facing a $2.2 million operating deficit and a bond retirement debt of $3.1 million, Monroe schools will ask voters to approve a five year, 7.05-mill emergency property tax levy during the the Aug. 7 special election. The levy will raise $2.5 million a year for the district.

Continued: http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/local/opposing-sides-debate-how-to-solve-monroe-fiscal-e/nP6zD/

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http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/local/opposing-sides-debate-how-to-solve-monroe-fiscal-e/nP6zD/


This is a very intersting article. Why was Mike Irwin the person that was interviewed for this article? It makes no sense to me.

I know Mike likes to get on here and write doctorial theses, with his million dollar words(usually with a lot of grammatical errors), let us all know how the board is doing such a terrible job, and have revisionist's history about his time on the board. I look at one thing and one thing only: his voting record. The reality is, Mike voted to hire Kelly Thorpe; Mike voted to buy the burns property; Mike voted to accept the five-year forecast every year he was on the board; etc.

For him to be so harsh to this current board is truly unfair. The current board inherited this disaster, they did not create it. They are working very, very hard to find ways out of this situation. I find it frustrating to see a person that was a part of the problem be so adamant about tar and feathering this current board.

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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  08:37:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

He was part of the problem also.
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  08:49:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Smoke and mirrors, people. Smoke and mirrors.

If Mr. Irwin screams loud enough (and LONG enough) about others' missteps, maybe you'll look right past the fact that he was on the board during those times.

Just keep looking at the great and powerful Oz. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  08:54:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by vegasmayor[/i]
[br]Smoke and mirrors, people. Smoke and mirrors.

If Mr. Irwin screams loud enough (and LONG enough) about others' missteps, maybe you'll look right past the fact that he was on the board during those times.

Just keep looking at the great and powerful Oz. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.



LOL

oh come on now...he doens't have an agenda or motive with all his screaming. LOL
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You could have called John Bombach to put in your two cents. He was asking those on here to call if interested in giving their side. Guess you weren't and Mike was....

[quote][i]Originally posted by hmmm[/i]
[br]http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/local/opposing-sides-debate-how-to-solve-monroe-fiscal-e/nP6zD/


This is a very intersting article. Why was Mike Irwin the person that was interviewed for this article? It makes no sense to me.

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I'm interested to see the board notes where Mike voted to buy the Berns prop....can anyone supply this??? I was not aware he was on the board when this was done....

PS: you made a spelling mistake yourself or you made an uninformed remark...check spelling for Berns...

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[i]Originally posted by hmmm[/i]

Mike voted to buy the burns property; Mike voted to accept the five-year forecast every year he was on the board; etc.

For him to be so harsh to this current board is truly unfair.

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Happy HarperValley Rez[/i]
[br]I'm interested to see the board notes where Mike voted to buy the Berns prop....can anyone supply this??? I was not aware he was on the board when this was done....

PS: you made a spelling mistake yourself or you made an uninformed remark...check spelling for Berns...

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[i]Originally posted by hmmm[/i]

Mike voted to buy the burns property; Mike voted to accept the five-year forecast every year he was on the board; etc.

For him to be so harsh to this current board is truly unfair.





Here ya go. From Mr. Irwin back in 12/09:

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[i]Originally posted by Mike_Irwin[/i]
[br]I wasn't going to comment ... but there seems to be a lot of controversy on this issue.
    I can only speak for myself, so here goes
I agreed to the purchase of the property on the basis that the overall cost to the district versus its related cost for rental would be much less.

Also, I didn't argue about kindergarten, because, either way it is coming.

Reading many of the comments here, I can only give the answers that were given at meetings.

First, YOU need to watch the slide presentation given by the Superintendent at my last official meeting Monday. Click on this link to see it: (Put on line by John Beagle) http://www.mainstreetmonroe.com/pdf/berns-power-point.pdf

Some Questions asked or comments made:

    Sunflower23 said, "Bern's Inc bought the property in Feb 2003 for $620,000."

      The same comment I made when some members from the Board wanted to pay more than $1.5 million for the property initially - $70,000.00 per year (rental plus utilities at about $30,000 a year) for 7 years and then $1.1 million for the property in year 8.

      Since, my last meeting is now over, I will spell out what happened in some of the past "CLOSED" meetings.

      This was one item. I questioned how we could do this - we needed to certify, each year, that we have sufficient money in the budget (WITHOUT a new tax levy) to pay the new expense. Since we didn't even have sufficient money in the budget or next year's budget to give our teachers any salary increase for year two and that we would have to renegotiate at that time. Now we can spend $1.1 million eight years from now; yet money is tighening. How? I was told all we had to worry about was the current and next year's budget and that we had enough money for the $70K. The $1.1 Million wouldn't be a problem for many years.

      When asked about an appraisal, I was told that this was a GREAT deal for the school and that the land was worth that much. However, it was acknowledged that NO APPRAISAL was done on the property. NOT ACCEPTABLE!

      Then at the next "CLOSED" EXECUTIVE SESSION meeting, I asked how much they paid for the property in 2003 (knowing the answer). I was told that it was much less and that they bought it via a tax sale BUT it was worth more than $1.2 MILLION today. I questioned this pointing out how land values have fallen over the past few years - especially Commercial Properties. This is a fact and is reflected in the amount of money the District receives in commercial property taxes - it has gone down for the past three years. FACT. Again I asked about an appraisal and was told there has been none done.


    cmsquare says, "I closed on my house march of 2003. ... DO you think I can count on a nearly a 50% increase in value? ...I don't know much about real estate, but that would seem like an awfully big jump in value to me. Nearly 50% in just a very short time."

      The only problem is how the property was purchased - allegedly a taxsale. If it was a "short-sale", as Mindi Dishman points out, it would explain the difference.


    Mindi Dishman sais, "I am also thinking that the location could physically connect to the current property (not that that has any connection to price) I wonder if it could be tied in with another entrance/exit?"

      Again, an EXCELLENT observation. However, it is not so. I asked this very question in the second meeting and every meeting since. The property's boundary does not abut the schools property line. I was told that this is still not an issue since the current property owner could be talked too and lives in Middletown somewhere. It was also suggest that the School simply declare a public need for an ingress/egress access and use the "PUBLIC DOMAIN" option. I have left this one go. It won't be that easy. Also, Tom Birdwell said, we could just expand the current entrance/exit by adding another lane to both sides to elimiate the problem. Of course, as several of us pointed out - it WON"T FIX the blockage of the road via an accident or other issues as have happened in the past. We were reminded by an administrator, that is why we have the 'farm exit'.

      The end result - it doesn't directly connect to our school property - but we may be able to buy a small strip of land between - IF it is at the end of the other property, to put in another exit/entrance.


    Jane Smith raises two issues, "~ So they couldn't just rent new modulars? [ ... ] How many people are to be located in this facility? 6-8 ? compared to how many children ?"

      Actually the first is a valid point, from my perspective. However, over the last four years all I have heard from the vocal public is 'we need to get rid of those old, ugly trailers!' I disagree with their age being a problem - less than 10 years old. They need maintenance work and I have commented on this issue many times in the past. But my voice is apparently the minority on this issue. "TRAILERS BAD!" they say. So new trailers are not an option - via the vocal public or internal personnel.

      The next question concerning people to be located in the facility. The Superintendent/ Treasure count is apparently 14. Then, according to the Superintended at a closed meeting, there are other administrators that would be moved into the new facility - opening space in the schools for other purposes, including testing and other issues.

      In addition, the contract with the bus company calls for separate office/ workspace for the administrative staff of the Bus company. Unless I am wrong that is only two people - possibly 3. It also calls for a lounge area for the drivers AND restroom facilities. So lounge space for 24 - 30 bus drivers. REMEMBER, between first and second/third bus trips you can find most of them up on the Kroger's parking lot - perhaps KIDDS coffee?? Not at the lounge located in the current 'bus barn' location.


    Bretland points out, "are there any Berns family members or relatives on the School Board???? Seems like a sweet (inside) deal to me..................... Also, I thought the School was having money problems..........guess not"

      Not that I am aware of, but this started with a cost of over $1.5 million and NO appraisal.

      The question no one has asked is, "WHAT IS THE APPRAISED VALUE?". At the last closed meeting, I received a copy of the appraisal and it was for just under $990,000.00 (from my recollection). So, it the appraisal is accurate, the $912K price could be a good deal based on assessed value of $990K.

      As for the second point - "money problems", they are real. The school can't hold onto money; about a million dollars more has been taken in each year over the previous year - yet we spent approximately a million more each year - often beyond the initially proposed budget amount.

      As for the added cost of this property, it has to be considered versus what must be done with growth, bus issues, administration, and other issues for the SHORT term and LONG term health of the district. This is where people must look at the slide show by the Superintendent. HOWEVER, there is a problem from my perspective, at the last closed meeting, where the newly elected board membrers sat at the table and partook in the discusses, we were told some different numbers. First, it was anticipated that the actual cost to the District would be approximately $35,000.00 more per year than what we are currently paying just for the bus rental property. Than number changed considerably at the board meeting. Still low, at $60,000.00 per year more than we currently pay. BUT a change non the less from the last meeting where we were presented numbers and facts!

      SO I, personally, have to question any numbers coming from the school - they shouldn't change from one week to another on proposed costs.


    Doc asks a couple of questions, "Is it a legal requirement that the district admninistration (Superintendent and Treasurer and their staff) have dedicated facilities? If not, could this situation be resolved by utilizing and/or refurbishing existing common areas or simply adding a trailer? [ ... ] From the bus facilities concern; could we not build another parking lot on the current land (as Waynesville does) or is there more to it than just parking buses?"

      Although addressed to Tom, let me take a stab - I am only aware that the district must, obviously, house administrative personnel and ideally in the boundaries of the District. Dedicated facilities? I am not aware of any law - they could be housed in the existing school building somewhere. The problem is where? We have been consistently told that we are out of space. So no room. Could be add a trailer? I tried to answer that earlier on issues of trailers. to me, it is possible - but more than one trailer would be needed.

      As for the bus facilities, I have suggested, and other board members, that we consider parking the buses under the High intensity wires at the back of the facility. It requires leveling the land, putting a pad out for buses and personnel (driver's) private vehicles. The pad can be made of stone instead of blacktop. HOWEVER, also need s bay to work on buses, office space, and a lounge - all could be handled by a simple steel constructed building. Question? cost of these items; time to get in place could become an issue.

      Doc, hope this answers your questions.


    Sunflower23 comments, "I'm expect Mr.Birdwell to ding this one,but wouldn't be better to wait until the new school board members are officially on board.Accountability is important.Three departing school board members voting makes accountability less."

      The fact is that the three newly elected board members where at the closed session meeting and had input into this matter. non objected to moving forward now.

      As for why December, I will attempt to answer this in another question later. Hope this helped.


    SPSLLC asks, "what about using the farm house for the offices?"

      Tom Birdwell did seem to answer this in depth. A few comments that were not covered. It is currently part of the lease agreement with Butler Tech (for ten more years of my memory serves me correctly) and I am not sure we can force the issue for taking JUST the farm house away. Although I agree with Tom's comments, the moment we take over the farm hosue for another purpose - putting admin staff in, we will be required to bring it up to CURRENT code and that will COST a lot of money and will probably include having to put an elevator in for all floor access (as Tom pointed out). so I don't think this is a viable solution.


    Sunflower23 asks, "Does Petermen Bus Co. have to cover any expenses for bus facilities?"

      Not under the current contract, we pay more than $70,000 a month in bus rental (if memory serves me) and have to pick up 100% of rental, utilities, repairs, parking, etc. The contract ends next year and will be up open. Hopefully the school will put busing out for bid and we will do far better with the next contract/bus company.


    Jane Smith asks, "Is there rental space at the Posey property? The property behind the Family Dollar store is for rent/sale."

      We were told that the Superintendent looked into rental and in her slide presentation suggests it would cost $0,000.00 per month just for the rental of space for the administration. I do not know if she contacted Mr. Posey or whom she contacted to come up with that amount of money. The board was further told that we would still need to arrange for rental of bus property, storage, repairs, and parking for employees.


    Slapshot quotes an article in the Journal, "Treasurer Kelley Thorpe [...] said the district decided to use its own money — cash the district is sitting on and does not need at this time — to purchase the property to expedite the closing of the property prior to Dec. 31 to only have to pay a few days of taxes this year compared having to pay a full year or about $30,000 in taxes in 2010. [...]'So that right there — a savings of $30,000 — is big push for us to close by the end of the year,' she said."

      This started a whole series of comments by

    Mindi Dishman, "Maybe it's because it's early, maybe it's because I really AM that stupid, but how are we actually saving $30grand?"

    Buckeynut, "I must be be plain dumb 'cuz I can't figure that one out either. I coulda sworn taxes are a) prorated & b) the seller pays the first year because we are always one year in arears with the county auditor. Add into that equation that school districts do not pay property taxes... at least we aren't on the that $24M complex, the $.5M modulars or the $2M primary school. Can Monroe spell exemption?"

    Bobpreston, "This is my favorite part of the story, She said the district decided to use its own money — cash the district is sitting on and does not need at this time — to purchase the property to expedite the closing of the property prior to Dec. 31 to only have to pay a few days of taxes this year compared having to pay a full year or about $30,000 in taxes in 2010."

      Well here is my understanding of all of this. I argued about this in closed session with the Treasurer and a board member. First the taxes, according to the County Auditor, and our own personal knowledge are paid one year in the rears. Therefore, the taxes owed on the property for the current year, 2009, would be paid in 2010. If we take over the property, say on December 30, 2009, the school would be liable for 2 days of taxes in reference to 2009. The remainder would be paid to the school in the closing of the sale of the property and paid by Berns. If we take over the property sometime in 2010, Berns would pay a pro-rated amount toward the 2010 taxes.

      I will get to the tax exempt status in a minute on those two days.

      Now onto the amount of taxes. According to the twenty plus page appraisal report, the current tax obligation on this property is approximately $22,000.00 per year - NOT $30,000.00. So at the time of sale, Berns would have to pay the school their share of the taxes owed for the time they owned the property.

      Now onto the tax exempt status. According to the Treasurer, she contacted the specialist in tax exemption concerning property taxes and public land in the Butler county Auditor's office, concerning the tax exempt status. According to the Treasurer, this specialist said that it will take one year to get the property converted over from tax-based to tax exempt. She further explained, the Treasure, that the school would be responsible for the first year's taxes as the property is converted.

      NOW, I don't know. The question I asked the Treasurer was, "does it make a difference if we settle in 2009 or 2010?" I was told that even if we settle on December 31, 2009, the one year conversion would affect 2009 and that we would be tax exempt in 2010, since we took the property over in 2009. Then the next question, "Does that mean, since taxes are paid in the rears, Berns would be responsible for their share of occupancy of 2009 - paying the bulk of the taxes for 2009?" The answer was yes - we would only be pro-rated to a day or two in December. The Next question, if the land settles in 2010, is it possible to have Berns pay those taxes, or does the school have to pay them during the transition year? The answer, the school would have to pay them.

      I DID NOT contact the Auditor's Office on this issue and have to rely upon the Treasure, who did. But since the appraisal says the taxes are for $22K instead of $30K, there seems to be some disconnect there. I question the accuracy of what was printed in the paper. Either way, as i understand it, it will take one year to have the property converted to tax exempt and the school will be liable for the year of taxes (or owner) until it is given tax exempt status. Question, "Once tax exempt, since the school is a tax exempt entity, could the school go back and recover the taxes paid the previous year, while waiting on the tax exempt status? ANSWER: unknown.


    EADS1995 writes, "the bus garage, is peterman's buses moving over there with there buses or is a new company coming in... if so what happens to our bus drivers and what bus company will be moving in? and at what cost for all of this..."

      Obviously a personal interest story here - perhaps self-preservation. Either way, YES, it would be understood that the buses would move over there. The money we are currently paying in rental per year, approximately $65,000.00 per year in the past and anticipated $68,000.00 next year. This money would be rolled into the yearly cost of the purchase of the new property.

        In the last closed session, the amount of projected yearly cost for the new building was a note of $78,000.00 and utilities of approximately $16,000.00 per year or a total of $94,000.00 per year. If we take out the $68,000.00 we would have had to pay for the current bus facility, the amount of money the school would have to come up with each year in addition is $94K - $68K or $26,000.00 more a year. this would mean the that purchasing the property would net a cost to the district of less than $30K a year and own the property for current and future use.

        The fact is at the meeting those numbers grew by an additional $30,000 per year. Hmmmmm ....

      As for his/her comment, "if so what happens to our bus drivers and what bus company will be moving in?" Since the busing issue is one of contractual services, as for what happens to the bus drivers? not our concern. Since they are already under contract, I would assume they are protected. As for what bus company would be moving in? The company that we currently do business with. However, when the contract ends, it is up for rebidding or what ever process the School District decides to do. So OUTSIDE the relm of this issue.


    John Beagle writes, "Jane, you are so right on. I don't believe we did our due diligence on this one. There will be much much more said on this topic. I am sure." to Jane's comment: "We don't have enough money to buy the books WE NEED for our students but suddenly we can buy a building?"

      The problem here is that ALL of this has been done behind closed doors. FACT. I would say done in a completely "Technically" legal way. BUT not transparent.


        As for Jane Smith's comment of 'we don't have enough money to buy the books WE NEED for our students...' I would like to demonstrate a problem I have with this, from a personal observation - AP History. My son, David is taking AP History this year and the school year started with out books for the kids. It took over a month for them to get 'NEW' books. I went out an purchased a 2009 book for my son's use out of my own pocket. It is important to note that I paid for the must up-to-date book for my son to use. After questioning why the student's didn't have books, I was told they were ordered the end of last school year.

        However, it turns out that the employee that was suppose to order them, refused to do so and no other employee was willing to do their work. Thus they weren't ordered until the beginning of this school year.

        The books that came in were NEW to the district, but the 2006-2007 edition NOT the 2009 edition as my son has. He continues to use the book I purchased - it has updated information that is not in the newly acquired editions that school bought,, allegedly new.

        As for how great our kids do in AP History - or any AP courses, when taking the Federal AP test? Dismal, very poorly, not well at all. Is it because we don't supply them with the current tools? Is it because the wrong children are taking the course? Is it because these courses are being taught as a high school course, instead of a college course? many questions - no answers for this thread.


With that said, I have attempted to give some background here concerning the purchase of the property and (solely from my viewpoint) the need to find some way to compensate for future growth while maintaining a cost effective way to cut or curtail our Administrative costs, including busing issues.

Although it was done behind closed doors, I, personally, at least attempted to represent the best interest of the school district. The original deal discussed was just under $1.6 million with out any appraisal. The appraisal came back with a valuation just under $990,000.00 USD. The agreed upon purchase price was $912,500.00. The property appears to be suited for multi-purpose - busing, housing, and future expansion. It may be able to be used as a second exit from the school - assuming issues can be sorted out or agreed to with the owner of the property inbetween.

The real issues, are

  • the razing of the old HS (at least $1.2 million - according to the Superintendent around $3.0 million). Securing funding requested to do the destruction - $1.2 in grants applied for by the City of Monroe. Allegedly this will be decided in January 2010.
  • Saving the 1966 building where Butler Tech's Greentree is currently housed and Utilizing this property for class rooms (possibiy 2nd through 4th)
  • Keeping our costs down and quit spending every penny more we get in on new and creative positions or projects
  • Find a new bus company that will serve our schools in a more cost effective manner.
  • Many more questions .... but my term is over December 31, 2009 and I leave them to the other board members, especially the three new members effective January, 2010.


Mike Irwin
Returning to the private sector January 1, 2010 ...

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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  1:37:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/local/school-district-to-buy-berns-property-for-all-da-1/nNgZ7/

The board unanimously approved a resolution during its final meeting of the school year Monday night, Dec. 14, to buy property at 500 Yankee Road — down the road from the district’s Yankee Road campus — from Berns Development for $912,500 to provide space for central office personnel.

He was on the board in 2009.
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  1:46:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Again he was part of the problem.
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  1:54:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

maybe that's why he's been spinning this so much ....HMMMMMMM
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  1:56:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

And now silent.
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  4:53:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Spinning, NEVER.

I was on the board and approved Kelly as Treasurer with the UNDERSTANDING that we also continue to use a consultant to oversee her work for 6 months. Due to her lack of experience.

I did approved the Bern's property, based on the facts as presented in Dec 2009, ON THIS BOARD.

I have never denied that I approved the 5 year, year after year. Go to the tapes and hear my questions concerning the 5 year as presented SEVERAL times during the year - questions, questions, and QUESTIONS.

I did answer questions asked of me from the Journal. I was contacted specific. Want to know why, ask the paper. I am not a mind reader.

I was on the board JAN 1, 2006 through Dec 31, 2009 - four years. I questioned all the time. I even forced the issue to require meetings be taped.

Those of you, HERE, who want to be negative and vindictive to me, have at it. It just shows your ignorance and small mindedness. Not surprising for some in this community.

Rather than keep the discussion at a high level - some send 'hate mail' under alias accounts, post on Craig's list and post negativity here.

Shame, shame, SHAME. Last I looked each of you, and MYSELF are living in America and have certain rights - like the right to speak our mind (within limits).

So have at it.

The vote is next Tuesday - I do NOT tell people how to vote. Rather, I place statements on here that I can prove THROUGH documentation - written, audio, and others.

You, some of you, make claims with NO documentation.

Again, Shame, Shame, SHAME.

The public will decide. That is a fact. If the levy is not approved, the Board and ADMINISTRATION will have to make some decisions to solve the problem. I just hope one of them is to wait for the State commission's recommendation of how to lower our expenses OR increase our revenues. THEN the board will have something to base their request for a tax increase AND the public will have some real facts and information to use when making their decision.

So the election is coming. Please go out and vote YOUR conscious. Mine is clear and I have already voted.

Thanks for all the in-depth, proven facts, ....
.... OH NO - some just scream names and spew hatred.

"small minds have small ideas"


MRI
PS Hope this post isn't too long. I tried to keep the level of language at a 6th grade level for those who need that.

PSS I often try not to be personal; but I am disgusted by some on this board and their desire to destroy me. The truth, if you are some in that category, you are not worth my time.

This is the last I will post on this issue.

I STAND BY EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER POSTED HERE, in MY PUBLISHED BOOKS, in MY LECTURES, and so on. I will be glad to discuss any issue I have knowledge or an opinion on. However, I will not waste my time with those who are so closed minded that they want to shout and spew hatred out to the world.

Thanks for reading.
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Compare cmsquares writing with hmmm's writing. Those two must have had the same English teacher.LOL
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Say what you want but at least Mike Irwin jumped on here to defend his position. And heck, it sounds like he even took some personal responsibility in the Journal:

"...But that wouldn’t be a problem if we hadn’t misled the public all these years as to what has been going on. There hasn’t been any fiscal responsibility..."
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  5:22:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

CMS, Zap and Vegas

Obviously more people like what Mr. Irwin has to say than your attacks on Mr. Irwin. I base that on the thumbs up on his few posts vs your numerous mindless insulting poorly constructed posts with nary a thumb.

May I suggest you work on forming a more solid argument, maybe perhaps lending your opinion to the Journal. Or did you speak with John Bombatch and he didn't feel your thoughts were fit for printing.

Either way, saying someone who shares his opinion does not make him 'part of the problem.'

I've been sitting on the fence on this one, but now I'm starting to lean a bit.

And one more thing, you guys are the real spinners. lol




"I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody" #BillCosby
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  5:32:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

That's what we're after on here? Thumbs??? Ha! That's laughable. When did The Voice become Facebook? I avoid Facebook like the plague for those very reasons. And how many of these brilliant posters are giving themselves the first thumbs up? I would love to know. Bobpreston gets tons of thumbs up. May I never be like bob.

I used Mike Irwin's own words in my last post and you are now bashing me? That's odd. So in a way, you are bashing Mike too? After all he said himself that he misled the public. Those were his words, John. Don't shoot the messenger.

Look around town. Count the signs. Heck, take one of your little polls on here again. I guess we'll see who the public is behind in a few short days. Will it be the guys with the thumbs up or the ones who don't care about their thumb stats?
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  6:35:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by sunflower23[/i]
[br]Compare cmsquares writing with hmmm's writing. Those two must have had the same English teacher.LOL



not sure what you are getting at but I don't know who hmmmm is...and I don't post under more than 1 name.

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
[br]CMS, Zap and Vegas

Obviously more people like what Mr. Irwin has to say than your attacks on Mr. Irwin. I base that on the thumbs up on his few posts vs your numerous mindless insulting poorly constructed posts with nary a thumb.

May I suggest you work on forming a more solid argument, maybe perhaps lending your opinion to the Journal. Or did you speak with John Bombatch and he didn't feel your thoughts were fit for printing.

Either way, saying someone who shares his opinion does not make him 'part of the problem.'

I've been sitting on the fence on this one, but now I'm starting to lean a bit.

And one more thing, you guys are the real spinners. lol







I didn't think it was sharing his opinion that makes him part of the problem.

it was more the fact that he was on the school board while these decisions were made. that is why I say he was part of the problem. I stand by that. I think that's pretty clear.

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Well said, cms. And have a thumbs up from me. I don't normally do that but now gonna give them out like candy. I'm thumbs upping people I don't even agree with. I'm like the thumbs up Oprah. "you get a thumbs up, and you get a thumbs up!"
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Posted - 08/02/2012 :  08:15:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I admire Mike Irwin for all the time and dedication he has put in to making Monroe Schools the best it can be. He's always been more than helpful to me when I've had a question regarding PSEO and I truly appreciate that. Mike has always been able to back up his statements with facts and yet others only resort to personal attacks and childish name calling. It's a shame what The Voice has become.
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Who called Mr. Irwin a name? Did I miss something? If they did, then you are correct, that's ridiculous and needs to be stopped. But, if someone has a different opinion than you about the schools, or the board, or even Mr. Irwin, that doesn't automatically make them childish. In fact, you then would be the one calling names by calling other people childish.
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I have just said he was part of the problem as was everybody on the board at that time.

They were in way over their heads, and now we see by how much.

I just thought that we should hold people accountable for their poor decisions.

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It is very interesting to me that this current board gets blamed for the Bern's property(I spelled it corectly this time ) purchase. A majority of this board were not board members when that transaction took place.

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[i]Originally posted by Happy HarperValley Rez[/i]
[br]I'm interested to see the board notes where Mike voted to buy the Berns prop....can anyone supply this??? I was not aware he was on the board when this was done....

PS: you made a spelling mistake yourself or you made an uninformed remark...check spelling for Berns...

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[i]Originally posted by hmmm[/i]

Mike voted to buy the burns property; Mike voted to accept the five-year forecast every year he was on the board; etc.

For him to be so harsh to this current board is truly unfair.



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The shame, shame, SHAME in all this is that you openly criticize this current BOE while every decision that was made putting them in the position they are in was made prior to them being board members. Most of those decisions were made while you were on the board and you voted for them.

The other shame, shame, SHAME is that it is OK for you to openly criticize the current BOE yet not be open to being criticized for the part you played in it.

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[i]Originally posted by Mike_Irwin[/i]
[br]Spinning, NEVER.

I was on the board and approved Kelly as Treasurer with the UNDERSTANDING that we also continue to use a consultant to oversee her work for 6 months. Due to her lack of experience.

I did approved the Bern's property, based on the facts as presented in Dec 2009, ON THIS BOARD.

I have never denied that I approved the 5 year, year after year. Go to the tapes and hear my questions concerning the 5 year as presented SEVERAL times during the year - questions, questions, and QUESTIONS.

I did answer questions asked of me from the Journal. I was contacted specific. Want to know why, ask the paper. I am not a mind reader.

I was on the board JAN 1, 2006 through Dec 31, 2009 - four years. I questioned all the time. I even forced the issue to require meetings be taped.

Those of you, HERE, who want to be negative and vindictive to me, have at it. It just shows your ignorance and small mindedness. Not surprising for some in this community.

Rather than keep the discussion at a high level - some send 'hate mail' under alias accounts, post on Craig's list and post negativity here.

Shame, shame, SHAME. Last I looked each of you, and MYSELF are living in America and have certain rights - like the right to speak our mind (within limits).

So have at it.

The vote is next Tuesday - I do NOT tell people how to vote. Rather, I place statements on here that I can prove THROUGH documentation - written, audio, and others.

You, some of you, make claims with NO documentation.

Again, Shame, Shame, SHAME.

The public will decide. That is a fact. If the levy is not approved, the Board and ADMINISTRATION will have to make some decisions to solve the problem. I just hope one of them is to wait for the State commission's recommendation of how to lower our expenses OR increase our revenues. THEN the board will have something to base their request for a tax increase AND the public will have some real facts and information to use when making their decision.

So the election is coming. Please go out and vote YOUR conscious. Mine is clear and I have already voted.

Thanks for all the in-depth, proven facts, ....
.... OH NO - some just scream names and spew hatred.

"small minds have small ideas"


MRI
PS Hope this post isn't too long. I tried to keep the level of language at a 6th grade level for those who need that.

PSS I often try not to be personal; but I am disgusted by some on this board and their desire to destroy me. The truth, if you are some in that category, you are not worth my time.

This is the last I will post on this issue.

I STAND BY EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER POSTED HERE, in MY PUBLISHED BOOKS, in MY LECTURES, and so on. I will be glad to discuss any issue I have knowledge or an opinion on. However, I will not waste my time with those who are so closed minded that they want to shout and spew hatred out to the world.

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by sunflower23[/i]
[br]Compare cmsquares writing with hmmm's writing. Those two must have had the same English teacher.LOL



Funny thing is you and I know each other, but I don't know CMSquare.
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