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Posted - 01/24/2010 :  1:07:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Filed under, B. SUPERINTENDENT’S OTHER BUSINESS, To approve the superintendent’s recommendation for kindergarten, Monday night the citizens will hear for the first time what the plan is for full or part time kindergarden in the fall.

As you may recall in a previous thread about all day kindergarten, archived under Monroe Local Schools Posts, I asked Monroe Schools Superintendent Lolli about all day kindergarten, here was her response:

"I believe that all day kindergarten is important for all children, but especially for those who do not attend preschool before beginning public school. A quality developmentally appropriate kindergarten provides a positive start to any child's education."

Most people were in favor of the all day kindergarten, however there was on commitment one way or the other on all day kindergarten in the fall of 2010.

Tomorrow at the school board meeting, Dr. Libbie Lolli will present her plan. Full Monroe Local Schools Board January 25th Meeting Agenda

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During the Budget compromise the Ohio Legislature give school boards an option to waiver the 2010-2011 school year for all day kindergarden if the school district would not have the financial means to support it.The question boils down to :What can Monroe afford? It would be more pragmatic to wait one year and have some idea of what the district can do.Choosing to go ahead with all day kindergarden merely helps justify the rationale for the Bern's purchase.
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That is true and tonight at the School Board Meeting, Dr. Lolli will present a powerpoint slide show with the options Monroe has as she sees them. I will post that powerpoint presentation when I get it.

Beagle: From Tonights Agenda: To approve the superintendent’s recommendation for kindergarten. – what exactly is your recommendation?

Lolli: Actually, the recommendation will come out of the board discussion of the options. I will be doing a powerpoint for the options.

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[i]Originally posted by sunflower23[/i]
[br]During the Budget compromise the Ohio Legislature give school boards an option to waiver the 2010-2011 school year for all day kindergarden if the school district would not have the financial means to support it.The question boils down to :What can Monroe afford? It would be more pragmatic to wait one year and have some idea of what the district can do.Choosing to go ahead with all day kindergarden merely helps justify the rationale for the Bern's purchase.


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Any word on what happened last night? (or was the meeting cancelled because of snowflakes?)
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Posted - 01/26/2010 :  10:32:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Not yet. Still waiting for the powerpoint presentation.

I did not go to the school board meeting last night, so I have no report at this time.

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Posted - 01/26/2010 :  12:05:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

This just in...

Lolli: Board approved funding 2 full day programs and keeping the 6 – ½ day units (we currently have 8 – ½ day units).

Attachment: Power Point Presentation (Converted to PDF so all can see)

Proposal 1 Cost: $333K
Proposal 2 Cost: $140K
Proposal 3 Cost: $0

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Interesting. 44 children will be chosen from a lottery to attend 2 all-day kindergarden classes. Did the district assess the publics needs or poll residents on interest or was everything based upon finances? (or lack thereof)
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Thanks for the update, John!!
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[i]Originally posted by buckeyenut[/i]
[br]Interesting. 44 children will be chosen from a lottery to attend 2 all-day kindergarden classes. Did the district assess the publics needs or poll residents on interest or was everything based upon finances? (or lack thereof)



Uh...yeah...I don't think this is going to go over well. Either make all the classes full-day or keep them all at half.
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Posted - 01/26/2010 :  5:47:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

No that will not go over well. We want ours in all day.
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Am I the only mom in Monroe that wants her child in 1/2 day Kindergarten?
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I have one in K now - so it really doesn't affect me. But that said, his teacher said on numerous occasions that she doesn't have enough time to do everything she really would like to do with the kids in a 1/2 day which really is just 2-1/2 hours per day. That and having to have day care expenses for half a day is why I'd prefer full-day kindergarten. If you are a stay at home mom, you don't have to worry about that part. I do however.
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Posted - 01/26/2010 :  8:39:15 PM  Show Profile  Send itbedave an AOL message  Send itbedave a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

BTW:

Proposal 1 Cost: $333K
Proposal 2 Cost: $140K
Proposal 3 Cost: $0

Why does it cost JUST over twice as much to do ALL classes full day as it costs to do JUST 2 full day? Seems like one of those numbers is off?
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[i]Originally posted by itbedave[/i]
[br]I have one in K now - so it really doesn't affect me. But that said, his teacher said on numerous occasions that she doesn't have enough time to do everything she really would like to do with the kids in a 1/2 day which really is just 2-1/2 hours per day. That and having to have day care expenses for half a day is why I'd prefer full-day kindergarten. If you are a stay at home mom, you don't have to worry about that part. I do however.



I agree with you that 2 1/2 hours isn't very long. I wish there was a happy medium between 2 1/2 hours and 7-8 hours a day.

I wondered if that was the case with most...that it is the cost of having to pay daycare that is driving people to want all day Kindergarten. I am very fortunate to be a nurse and to work hours that are flexible with my husband's schedule. He works during the day and I go in when he gets home. I understand that not everyone has this. But I don't like to hear that it should be all one way over the other. To me, I can see both sides. I would prefer that they continue to offer both. That way we can both be happy!
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Posted - 01/26/2010 :  10:16:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

cybermom,
I prefer the 1/2 day option. I've also talked to one other mom who will be using the 1/2 day option as well. Not everyone wants to send their kids for a full day. I think doing this will allow the district to get a good idea of how many parents really want a full day program. I think it is going to be difficult because there will be people upset when their kid doesn't get in. I would hate to be the administrator who gets to hear all the complaints.
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Posted - 01/27/2010 :  08:08:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by itbedave[/i]
[br]BTW:

Proposal 1 Cost: $333K
Proposal 2 Cost: $140K
Proposal 3 Cost: $0

Why does it cost JUST over twice as much to do ALL classes full day as it costs to do JUST 2 full day? Seems like one of those numbers is off?


look at the powerpoint presentation in Mr. Beagle's post above and the costs are spelled out.
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Posted - 01/27/2010 :  08:38:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

What is not spelled out in the powerpoint is the cost to parents that will now have to pay for daycare for 1/2 a day if their child is not one of the "chosen" ones for all day.
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Posted - 01/27/2010 :  5:49:05 PM  Show Profile  Visit Tom B's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Several of the questions and comments being raised on the Voice are interesting and valid school and city issues, but at this point I don't think you should expect to get any official answers to questions posted here.

I am generalizing, but as a group, our elected officials have grown tired of being personally and professionally attacked by nameless, faceless individuals on the Voice, several of whom simply make things up as they go along, using multiple screen names for volume effect. Because of this abuse of what could be a great resource, I see no evidence that the new group of elected officials plan to communicate through the Voice, at least until some restraint and simple courtesy becomes more the norm here.

When significant issues arise, and you really want answers, I strongly suggest you telephone and/or email the superintendent, city manager, or board and council members directly with your questions. Both organization's websites provide links to all the officials.

Sadly, the simple fact is that over the years the Voice has degraded, with a core group of people doing absolutely nothing but stirring the pot for entertainment, hate, or spite, at public expense. This is very unfortunate, as this could be a very valuable communications tool.

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Posted - 01/27/2010 :  6:41:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I agree with Tom; I feel badly for those who constantly get bombarded with the nonsense here.

As a parent of a kindergartener for next year I'm quite anxious to see how this turns out. What I dont get is those who complain like 86. Where is your child now? Would you be happy if they didnt offer all day kindergarten at all? I'm assuming you'd be paying for daycare anyway.
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I was at the meeting - one of the reasons the numbers are still high for Proposal 2 is that Monroe would still have to run half day buses. Once the Primary has ALL classrooms going all day, the bus routes would be combined with 1st and 2nd grade with no 1/2 day routes.

BTW - All day KDG is coming from the state (Ted Strickland), not from parents who pay for day care. All school districts will be REQUIRED to have all-day KDG for all students by 2011. I think Dr. Lolli provided a good step in the right direction to show the state that Monroe has a plan.

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[br]BTW:

Proposal 1 Cost: $333K
Proposal 2 Cost: $140K
Proposal 3 Cost: $0

Why does it cost JUST over twice as much to do ALL classes full day as it costs to do JUST 2 full day? Seems like one of those numbers is off?

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Tom, I don't see where anyone was personally or professionally attacked in this thread. I stopped expecting answers long ago though I continue to pose questions that raise awareness of opinions, ideas and concepts. As useful as it could be to get valuable information from this forum, I don't think Council, City Staff or School Board members should post. There is a very fine line between personal and professional involvement and we've all seen it crossed a few times.

As for multiple screen names or those lacking contact info or name, we are in agreement - that is simply a fools game I personally don't play.
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I have to agree with Mr Birdwell. I have been watching from the "sidelines" on the voice for about a year and would not want to post if I was in a public position. Too many things seem to get taken out of context and blown up. JMO
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[i]Originally posted by buckeyenut[/i]
[br]Tom, I don't see where anyone was personally or professionally attacked in this thread.

Who said anything about this thread being an attack problem? I was speaking of the Voice in general, and how some abused it, in the process destroying it for all as a useful communications tool about our government actions. I commented in this thread because it had some very good questions, and I felt someone should explain that it might be more productive to go directly to the school source these days.
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I stopped expecting answers long ago though I continue to pose questions that raise awareness of opinions, ideas and concepts.


You certainly asked me a lot of questions over the years, and seemed to expect answers to them. And what good are the questions if nobody brings accurate information forward to address them? And much of the time, it was the elected officials who could best answer the questions raised. Instead, now we seem likely to get third person rumors instead of facts. I view this as a sad change, and a lost opportunity to keep the community informed with real information of our schools and city. But given the abuse of the Voice, I don't see a better alternative, than to just ignore it.

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Posted - 01/28/2010 :  04:21:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Mr.Birdwell,have you thought about running for school board? That way you can correct any misinformation on the Voice.Just a thought.Thank you.
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by sunflower23[/i]
[br]Mr.Birdwell,have you thought about running for school board? That way you can correct any misinformation on the Voice.Just a thought.Thank you.



Is this a serious post?
If so, you must have moved to this town fifteen minutes ago.

On a related note. Hope you're doing better Mr. Birdwell.
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I for one, am very happy that we're going to full time kindergarten. When I was a child, I attended full time kindergarten. I believe that going for just a couple of hours a day is just a waist of time and money. Over the years, I've heard so much hoopla about how our children aren't getting an education. We hear all the proposals of year-around schooling and other things that really won't matter. This country has produced a wide array of very educated individuals using the existing system of schooling. One of the problems that I see today is that every time you turn around, school is out for one reason or another. The largest problem though is the funding model is broken. It needs fixed but the complacent public just wouldn't be willing to do what it takes. I just wish that Ohio would allow a voucher program so that I could put all these public school issues out of my mind.
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[i]Originally posted by MyVoice[/i]
[br]I for one, am very happy that we're going to full time kindergarten. When I was a child, I attended full time kindergarten. I believe that going for just a couple of hours a day is just a waist of time and money. Over the years, I've heard so much hoopla about how our children aren't getting an education. We hear all the proposals of year-around schooling and other things that really won't matter. This country has produced a wide array of very educated individuals using the existing system of schooling. One of the problems that I see today is that every time you turn around, school is out for one reason or another. The largest problem though is the funding model is broken. It needs fixed but the complacent public just wouldn't be willing to do what it takes. I just wish that Ohio would allow a voucher program so that I could put all these public school issues out of my mind.



Good post with great information. With my wife being an educator for over 18 years I can agree with that full time kindergarten is what my child needs. If my numbers do not come up in the "MONROE LOCAL SCHOOL PICK 4 LOTTERY" He will most likely go to school with her and get a full day education.

cincyuse... it is state mandated so there is NO WAY that they cannot offer full day.
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[i]Originally posted by itbedave[/i]
[br]I have one in K now - so it really doesn't affect me. But that said, his teacher said on numerous occasions that she doesn't have enough time to do everything she really would like to do with the kids in a 1/2 day which really is just 2-1/2 hours per day. That and having to have day care expenses for half a day is why I'd prefer full-day kindergarten. If you are a stay at home mom, you don't have to worry about that part. I do however.



you cannot use the daycare excuse.

as cincyuse would say

"Where is your child now? Would you be happy if they didnt offer all day kindergarten at all? I'm assuming you'd be paying for daycare anyway"
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[i]Originally posted by Houndog[/i]
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On a related note. Hope you're doing better Mr. Birdwell.



I am getting better, thanks. The transition back to real food is taking much longer than I expected. Thus, I had to postpone next week's planned spinal surgery yet again. It was to be next Wednesday, but I simply am not ready for that. I had really hoped to get it over with, and healed before spring gardening season, but I just don't see that happening now.

Speaking of, It looks like I am going to need someone to till my garden in the spring. I have a tiller if I can talk someone into doing it. And there are some other yard things that need to get done, including mowing for a few months while I heal. If anyone is interested in earning some pocket change, give me a call.

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by sunflower23[/i]
[br]Mr.Birdwell,have you thought about running for school board? That way you can correct any misinformation on the Voice.Just a thought.Thank you.



I thought about it briefly, but the position of school czar isn't open this year.

Seriously, I hope somebody on the school board and council returns to post here, and correct some of the rumors that keep arising, but I really don't expect that to happen.

In general, I am trying to stay out of new school board issues, and confining my comments to issues that happened before January.

Speaking of, I got a letter from the county auditor's office today. In their general reassessment process, they reduced my home value almost 10%. If this is generally true through the district, it will mean a considerable funding reduction for the school district.

The good news is that between the reduction in home valuations, and the millage reduction from the early bonds from the new building retiring, many will see a significant property tax reduction.

So much for all the paranoia about the November election raising taxes.

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