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John Beagle
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Posted - 01/14/2011 :  5:43:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Heard on the street, from a reliable source, Monroe is going to do away with the Full Time Athletic Director position.

Seeking additional sources for confirmation. If you can confirm, please let us know.

Photo: Monroe's current AD David Bauer

We had a debate about Krause being both AD and Head FB coach.


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Posted - 01/14/2011 :  5:59:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

This just in:

Beagle: I heard from a reliable source that the school district is doing away with the full time AD position. Can you confirm or deny?

Lolli: I cannot confirm or deny.

"I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody" #BillCosby
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Posted - 01/14/2011 :  6:31:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

You cannot do away with a full time ad at a school with the amount of sports that Monroe has. This just sucks!!! This is not a part time position, I have no idea the direction this district is going!!
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Posted - 01/14/2011 :  7:13:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

it may be time to get out of Dodge if the school starts going the way of the air quality around here.

Good Schools is all we have left.

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I think we are going to see a lot of changes in the name of "cost savings."

If you have concerns, you should contact the school board. I believe contacting the board saved us from getting a Barberton re-tread as a football coach.
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[i]Originally posted by cmsquare[/i]
[br]it may be time to get out of Dodge if the school starts going the way of the air quality around here.

Good Schools is all we have left.





Actually there is more left in the area than 'Good Schools'. Monroe is not a island unto itself. For someone so well traveled, you speak the tongue of a provincial.
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it is my being well traveled that tells me this.
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What?! He's been red cared and thrown off the team?
Say it ain't so!

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[i]Originally posted by Anyways[/i]
[br]I think we are going to see a lot of changes in the name of "cost savings."

If you have concerns, you should contact the school board. I believe contacting the board saved us from getting a Barberton re-tread as a football coach.


Not only are we getting the Barberton retreads, but Middletowns cast offs from when the Sup was there years ago. Monroe needs some changes in the Administration areas. We are overloaded at the top end of the salary range with these additions she has brought in and the classrooms seem to be suffering from it.
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I would get rid of the people posing as teachers who are not certified yet, but come over via the fenwick/middletown connection. Get ready Monroe, the begining of end has just begun while the school board stands by and lets the super do whatever she wants
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you mean the super that led up to an excellent rating right? that super?

just checking.
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[i]Originally posted by cmsquare[/i]
[br]you mean the super that led up to an excellent rating right? that super?

just checking.



Maybe good teachers had a little something to do with that.
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sure they did, I'm not short selling the teacher by any means, but it starts at the top, and we weren't an excellent district until she came to town were we?

I bet many of those same teachers were here though.

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Posted - 01/15/2011 :  1:01:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit TLH's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I think we were on the way to excellence. A new school district would have an excellent rating right out of the chute.
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Posted - 01/15/2011 :  2:26:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Yes, after this year the AD is gone. They are giving the position to someone inhouse to do two positions. I do not know who that will be but I wish them good luck.
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We were excellent at the high school and elementary before she came and only two indicators shy of it at the middle school, which would have been excellent, so lets not make it sound like since she came here she was the one who made it an excellent district. That is just not true!
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Wow, I love how people come on here complaining about the superintendent letting the AD go and having someone in house do it! Where were you when the teachers were threatening to strike if they didn't get their step raise?!? Maybe that had something to do with the AD being let go! The superintendent has to cut costs somewhere. I would rather her do it with the AD position as opposed to a teacher being let go or cut in the classes offered, band, music or any of the other extras that we have.
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Posted - 01/15/2011 :  8:35:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Dr.Lolli is try to cut costs at different points to avoid laying off daughter-in-law,niece and other Friends of Lolli.
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Right on sunflower, and the teachers were not going to strike over a step increase, get your facts straight before you open your mouth. it is amazing how some know whats going on, some pretend to know whats going on, and then there are those who have no clue as to what is going on but makes things up as they go and grab bits and pieces here and there to try and make sense. I agree with sunflower, then fenwick and or family connection will not be cut loose any time soon!!
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If I remember correctly every teacher or family member on here said the strike had nothing to do with money but found out afterward it was partly due to their raise. They weren't willing to give up their 5% step raise just their 3-4% raise that was on top of the step raise and claimed it wasn't about the money so now we are to believe what you say?! Think how much money that would have saved the district?!? You are the ones spreading the lies about the superintendent!
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Sunflower...nice mugshot! :) Your credibility is out the window!
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Posted - 01/16/2011 :  9:06:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit Tom B's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

The state has notified districts that cuts in funding may be 15% or greater. If that happens there will be little for an AD to do.

Tom Birdwell

Opinions written here are mine alone, and may not reflect the views of other board members.


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Posted - 01/17/2011 :  05:36:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Colts1[/i]
[br]If I remember correctly every teacher or family member on here said the strike had nothing to do with money but found out afterward it was partly due to their raise. They weren't willing to give up their 5% step raise just their 3-4% raise that was on top of the step raise and claimed it wasn't about the money so now we are to believe what you say?! Think how much money that would have saved the district?!? You are the ones spreading the lies about the superintendent!



This is the truth 100%.
All we heard was how it wasn't about a raise, it was about Lolli and her being a tyrant.

Then the teachers go their raise, and signed on the dotted line, and stopped with the Lolli talk. Now cuts are coming and Lolli is the bad guy again.

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Posted - 01/17/2011 :  06:41:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

If a teacher has also work at the school to coach the the AD should also be a teacher!!

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Posted - 01/17/2011 :  09:55:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Tom, this is the tip of the iceberg. If we are cutting the AD position, then what else is being cut? Surely many thing would be cut before they would cut out an AD position with a school that has so many sports.

I think we are running on the fear that we either maintain a balanced budget or risk being assimilated into another school district. (Pure speculation)

On a positive note for the budget, I heard all day kindergarten will be repealed by our new republican Governor. So that's a little help.

What a mess Strickland left the schools in after he promised in the campaign that got him elected to 'fix school funding'. He made is allot worse, not better. Unfunded mandates is not the way to go, so you had to go Ted.


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[i]Originally posted by Tom B[/i]
[br]The state has notified districts that cuts in funding may be 15% or greater. If that happens there will be little for an AD to do.


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Posted - 01/17/2011 :  10:16:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I think it is another example of Education cost cutting in the wrong area. At least the Athletic department is somewhat of a revenue generator. Lets fire the person that actually earns income for the school, and keep others that add no value to the system. It is almost like business firing its sales staff and keeping all the administrators.
I am so frustrated with the school system not being honest in its intention. (Also the teacher if we are talking about intentions.) I have a great idea! How about we make all these position part-time,
Superintendent Elizabeth J. Lolli
Treasurer Kelley Thorpe
Curriculum Director Debbie Sander
Director of Personnel/Business Affairs Broc Bidlack
Data Specialist (BCESC) Jeff TerBush

We will just divided it up among the teachers and the high school administrators.

Again, I just find it ironic how Monroe wants to cut the department that actually brings in revenues. It really proves how Monroe has no CLUE when it comes to true budgeting. Chalk it up again to people that are running our school system and they have no clue how to run a business. Shocking as it sound like our Congressman/woman at the local level.

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Posted - 01/17/2011 :  10:33:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Jeff TerBush is no longer the Data Specialist at Monroe. Just wanted to clarify.
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Since when did the AD personally raise money?!? You make it sound like we are getting rid of the athletics dept. that generates money. They are not! Just getting rid of the AD's job that could be done by someone else already in the school district.
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[i]Originally posted by Colts1[/i]
[br]Since when did the AD personally raise money?!? You make it sound like we are getting rid of the athletics dept. that generates money. They are not! Just getting rid of the AD's job that could be done by someone else already in the school district.



Colt, if I have to explain to you what an AD does; than this forum is not one your should be commenting on. It never should be a part-time job if you want a sport programs to actually generate revenues for the district.

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by kb255[/i]
[br]Jeff TerBush is no longer the Data Specialist at Monroe. Just wanted to clarify.



Thanks for the clarification, do we know if this job has been filled? Just got this information of the Monroe website so I thought it would have been updated. Shocking I know.. :)

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It never should be a part-time job if you want a sport programs to actually generate revenues for the district.
Beside soliciting funds from the alumni and other organizations; what other means of revenue generation are available to an AD?

Do they also handle the rental of the facilities and for tournaments or is that handle through other members of the administration?
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Do they also handle the rental of the facilities and for tournaments or is that handle through other members of the administration?
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This is just a general overview what they are suppose to do but there are added responsibilities based on district.
Athletic directors oversee funding and budgets for school athletic programs and are responsible for ensuring that the various teams at a school receive a fair distribution of resources. They may have to make tough decisions about how to allocate money. They work with coaches to ensure school and division regulations are being followed but don't usually handle the direct coaching and training of athletes. However, they usually oversee the hiring and firing of trainers and coaches. In addition to managing the athletic department budget, athletic directors organize publicity and game times for athletic teams. Athletic directors also reach out to alumni. local business and seek donations for all sports departments.


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Posted - 01/17/2011 :  12:13:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Isn't the atheletic director also a retired teacher?

So if he is not only are the tax payers paying part of his retirement from teaching he is also receiving pay for the atheletic director?

just wondering????
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Again the irrelevant double-dipping topic comes up. He would be receiving his teaching retirement NO MATTER WHAT. He earned it and if he chooses to work after he has put in the required number of years to receive his retirement benefits, that is his perogative. It is not costing Monroe any extra money to employ him as an AD even though he is a retired teacher.
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Jimmc, I have every right to comment on this topic...I have kids in the district and I pay taxes here just as much as you so get off your high horse! I never said anything about being a part time job! We have a secretary for the AD that I'm sure does all the paperwork for the athletic dept. and sets up the games schedule while someone else in the district could "solicit" funds from alumni and local businesses! Apparently you don't work in the "real world" like the rest of us! A lot of us out here have to do 2-3 jobs because of layoffs! The work always gets done or they find someone that will do it! Why don't you volunteer to solicit funds for the athletic dept. since you seem to have so much time on your hands!
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This is true. If he is an AD or a bus driver, the money one makes while drawing retirement is double dipping. Sometimes the school district gets a good person at a better price.

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[br]Again the irrelevant double-dipping topic comes up. He would be receiving his teaching retirement NO MATTER WHAT. He earned it and if he chooses to work after he has put in the required number of years to receive his retirement benefits, that is his perogative. It is not costing Monroe any extra money to employ him as an AD even though he is a retired teacher.


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Posted - 01/17/2011 :  1:39:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

From what I have heard and again this is just word on the street, but Mr. Leahy will be assuming the duties of the AD. Also heard this is the first steps in the district trying to cut 1 Million dollars from the budget. Again this is speculation, but it's what I have heard.

On a side note, I am not sure how someone will be able to handle the duties of the AD on a part time basis. Doesn't the AD attend most of the sporting events, home & away?
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[br]Jimmc, I have every right to comment on this topic...I have kids in the district and I pay taxes here just as much as you so get off your high horse! I never said anything about being a part time job! We have a secretary for the AD that I'm sure does all the paperwork for the athletic dept. and sets up the games schedule while someone else in the district could "solicit" funds from alumni and local businesses! Apparently you don't work in the "real world" like the rest of us! A lot of us out here have to do 2-3 jobs because of layoffs! The work always gets done or they find someone that will do it! Why don't you volunteer to solicit funds for the athletic dept. since you seem to have so much time on your hands!



My high horse? I was responding to your comment of,
"Since when did the AD personally raise money?!? You make it sound like we are getting rid of the athletics dept. that generates money. They are not! Just getting rid of the AD's job that could be done by someone else already in the school district."

It is the job of the AD to get funding/donations from the community, so most AD's do raise money and it is crazy to leave it up to multiple people. The idea of an AD is one point of contact that will focus on a functioning sports program and drive revenues from the community. You can't leave it for someone just to "do" as we both know that won't get done. Dave has increased the corporate sponsorship for Monroe athletics since he has been there. Now I don't care if Dave stays or not just having a part-time person will damage the current progress and program.

And second you know nothing about me personally and/or professionally. As I have two children in the district and have raised them ON my own with no support from anyone including my ex for over 10 years, so working whatever jobs is just WHAT YOU DO! So attacking some personally does not help the situation.

After reading my past post you are correct I misunderstood some of your questions so I do apologize. You do have the right to comment but and AD is just not a position that you want to leave to someone part-time or even worse assigning to multiple people to do. That would put more pressure on the current coaches in the program, and that would hurt Monroe getting a good coaching staff. Who would want to coach for Monroe if you could go elsewhere with less work and pressure.

Thanks for your opinion and the debate, I just think we should go to a part-time superintendent!!! :)
I always wonder if that would spark the same debate. I am sure her assistant could do her job but is that functional choice for the district? I am thinking not but it would save money right!

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Just for the sake of discussion, Middletown's AD at the middle school level works on a supplemental contract. She is a classroom teacher and coordinates the sports programs for Vail and Verity. Her hours are long, but she does a terrific job in the classroom AND as an AD.
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luvyourneighbor: I JUST ASKED A QUESTION never said ANYTHING ABOUT DOUBLE DIPPING.
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"[i]Originally posted by retiredmilitary[/i]
[br]luvyourneighbor: I JUST ASKED A QUESTION never said ANYTHING ABOUT DOUBLE DIPPING."

You might not have come out and said those words, but that was my interpretation when I read your post too.
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