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Murdock
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Posted - 08/22/2011 :  8:59:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

My high school student came home today and informed us there would be no text book in their pre-calc math class because the school didn't have enough books to go around to all of the students!? Apparently the school has approx 70 books for 92 students.....WTF? This is the second time one of my kids didn't have a book assigned to them because the school didn't have enough....

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Posted - 08/22/2011 :  9:13:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

mine told me the same thing...and then told me in another class they all will be using a school owned ipad....sure hope those were donated, since they could not afford to buy enough text books it would really tick me off if they paid for ipads....
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Posted - 08/22/2011 :  9:14:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I believe the Middletown Community Foundation donated the ipads
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Posted - 08/22/2011 :  9:19:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

that is good news, too bad someone couldn't donate enough money for textbooks too...
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Posted - 08/22/2011 :  10:07:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I'll pay for a book. If we find 21 more donors they'll have their 22 books.....

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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  12:15:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Nothing unusual for MLS, every year they are short of something, couple years ago it was lockers.
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[br]My high school student came home today and informed us there would be no text book in their pre-calc math class because the school didn't have enough books to go around to all of the students!? Apparently the school has approx 70 books for 92 students.....WTF? This is the second time one of my kids didn't have a book assigned to them because the school didn't have enough....

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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  05:35:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

My youngest informed me that there isn't enough paper for then te get handouts they need for class.

This is my whole point about open enrollment. If it is a great as the school disatrict claims why are we short on required items?
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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  07:32:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

What a fn joke.
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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  07:43:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

User Name: Murdock
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Do you still live in Middletown?
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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  08:02:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

They need to put all the forms they send home on the computer. That would save a ton of paper. I fill the same thing out year after year, times 2!
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[br]My youngest informed me that there isn't enough paper for then te get handouts they need for class.

This is my whole point about open enrollment. If it is a great as the school disatrict claims why are we short on required items?

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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  10:48:59 AM  Show Profile  Visit Animal1993's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Bretland[/i]
[br]I'll pay for a book. If we find 21 more donors they'll have their 22 books.....



I'm not sure how much a book costs, but I would be willing to at least contribute to the cost of a book. (And I don't even have kids at the high school--my DD just started first grade!). Or, why couldn't some of the parents volunteer their time to make copies of the chapter(s) being studied each week? I went to Lakota (class of '93), and there were many times that we shared books during class, and took worksheets home to study and complete homework from.

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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  11:29:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Can't copy because they have no paper either! That amazes me.

But why don't we start a campaign on MSM to buy the additional books? Anyone know of a contact at the school in charge of buying the textbooks who could tell us cost and help coordinate?
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[br]Can't copy because they have no paper either! That amazes me.

But why don't we start a campaign on MSM to buy the additional books? Anyone know of a contact at the school in charge of buying the textbooks who could tell us cost and help coordinate?


I donate all kinds of items to my kid's classroom. I'd be willing to make a donation to buy a HS book.
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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  2:38:30 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Maybe I ought to make the book scholarships for kids graduating into high school instead of college. nlol

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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  9:25:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[br]User Name: Murdock
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Location: Middletown, Ohio

Do you still live in Middletown?



Just a Middletown mailing address in the Monroe School district
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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  9:48:34 PM  Show Profile  Send itbedave an AOL message  Send itbedave a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I don't understand this either. My daughter (7th grade) has classes with the same problem. She can't bring a text book home to study because they don't have enough. For a math workboook, they've photocopied a bunch of pages and had her put them in a 3-ring binder! I don't think that's even legal - especially when EVERY PAGE is marked "DO NOT PHOTOCOPY."

Our question is - we're paying book rental fees. Where are they going if there's not enough books to go around AND they are mostly older books?



WIW - I have a Middletown address as well - 45044 - but live in Monroe (Applegate). No issue there.
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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  9:55:26 PM  Show Profile  Send itbedave an AOL message  Send itbedave a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[i]Originally posted by 2015hornetsMOM[/i]
[br]They need to put all the forms they send home on the computer. That would save a ton of paper. I fill the same thing out year after year, times 2!



My wife was just saying the same thing last night. No reason why these forms couldn't be PDF forms that you could simply update from year to year and save.

I'm even willing to set them up for them. Not that difficult - just time.
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Posted - 08/23/2011 :  10:28:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Murdock[/i]
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[i]Originally posted by buck35[/i]
[br]User Name: Murdock
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Location: Middletown, Ohio

Do you still live in Middletown?



Just a Middletown mailing address in the Monroe School district



Same here I have a Middletown mailing address. So maybe you should change that huh!

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[i]Originally posted by itbedave

WIW - I have a Middletown address as well - 45044 - but live in Monroe (Applegate). No issue there.



User Name: itbedave
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Yet you state that you live here right?
Why would you list your mailing address?
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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  12:03:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I would be happy to donate toward text books... or bring in some paper, whatever is needed...


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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  1:08:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

My vote would be to buy a classroom set and then make a webpage that allows students to access the online version of the book. Aren't we looking at 21st century skills? Moving all snow days to online? Cutting cost? Paper reduction? Just food for thought...still face to face instruction using technology in a way that serves every student.

I see the frustration, but buying more text books is not the answer. In addition to that the online versions of these books are called Flex books and they are updated yearly. As the update is made, it filters out to all users.
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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  1:29:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit Animal1993's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[i]Originally posted by drs_1827[/i]
[br]My vote would be to buy a classroom set and then make a webpage that allows students to access the online version of the book. Aren't we looking at 21st century skills? Moving all snow days to online? Cutting cost? Paper reduction? Just food for thought...still face to face instruction using technology in a way that serves every student.

I see the frustration, but buying more text books is not the answer. In addition to that the online versions of these books are called Flex books and they are updated yearly. As the update is made, it filters out to all users.




I wholeheartedly agree with this entire post!

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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  1:34:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Thanks! In addition, everychild that has an ipad, smartphone or a parent that has one can allow the child to access this content from anywhere. This would mean bringing the education to the student...in a way they are already interfacing with information.
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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  1:40:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Beagle: I understand we have a shortage of paper and textbooks. Any comment on that situation?

Lolli: Books were not ordered on the high school’s end. Once we got the numbers of needed books, yesterday, they were ordered.

There is not a paper shortage, we requested that teachers conserve as much as possible as we did last year. Two sided copies, not running unneeded copies, etc.

Full story: Lolli: No Book Shortage at Monroe Local Schools
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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  2:07:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I heard straight from a teacher's mouth that there was not enough paper and they weren't allowed to make copies.
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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  4:24:19 PM  Show Profile  Send nestlechick an AOL message  Send nestlechick a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Found out the geometry class has the same issue...not enough books.

My son was one of those who did not receive a book - but was assigned homework. Needless to say, the grades of those without the books were less than those who had access to books.


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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  6:25:07 PM  Show Profile  Send itbedave an AOL message  Send itbedave a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Guess I should ask her about the Jr. high too... and photocopying pages and pages of workbooks that clearly aren't suppose to be photocopied.
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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  8:37:43 PM  Show Profile  Send itbedave an AOL message  Send itbedave a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

quote:
[i]Originally posted by buck35[/i]
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[i]Originally posted by itbedave

WIW - I have a Middletown address as well - 45044 - but live in Monroe (Applegate). No issue there.



User Name: itbedave
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Location: Monroe, OH

Yet you state that you live here right?
Why would you list your mailing address?



Am I the only one that has no idea what Buck's point is???
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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  8:44:04 PM  Show Profile  Send itbedave an AOL message  Send itbedave a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

BTW - as my daughter explained to me in most of her Jr. high classes, they have enough books for everyone in the class, but only for the classroom. NOT enough for everyone to have their own and take them home to study or anything. So, they may have 30 books for a classroom, but those 30 are used by ALL students in ALL sections of that class.

I have a message into the principal about these issues.
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Posted - 08/24/2011 :  9:47:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Buck35
Don't you think you're being a little bit creepy?

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[i]Originally posted by buck35[/i]
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[i]Originally posted by itbedave

WIW - I have a Middletown address as well - 45044 - but live in Monroe (Applegate). No issue there.



User Name: itbedave
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Location: Monroe, OH

Yet you state that you live here right?
Why would you list your mailing address?


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[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
[br]Buck35
Don't you think you're being a little bit creepy?

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[i]Originally posted by buck35[/i]
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[i]Originally posted by itbedave

WIW - I have a Middletown address as well - 45044 - but live in Monroe (Applegate). No issue there.



User Name: itbedave
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Location: Monroe, OH

Yet you state that you live here right?
Why would you list your mailing address?





John no just showing things. I must be on your HIT list! I guess I'll be the next one ban from the Voice! What's wrong can't take the HEAT?
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I was told Dr. Lolli prohibts the use of a literature text in Jr. High. Can this possibly be correct?
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You don't need a literature text the way the teach language arts now. My daughter said the teacher levels kids according to their reading level. They get to pick their own book from a classroom library. After the teacher teaches the lesson, each student uses their own book to finish the assignment. That way everyone in class works at their own level.
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This is correct. They use the kids' lexile numbers.

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[br]You don't need a literature text the way the teach language arts now. My daughter said the teacher levels kids according to their reading level. They get to pick their own book from a classroom library. After the teacher teaches the lesson, each student uses their own book to finish the assignment. That way everyone in class works at their own level.

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quote:
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[br]You don't need a literature text the way the teach language arts now. My daughter said the teacher levels kids according to their reading level. They get to pick their own book from a classroom library. After the teacher teaches the lesson, each student uses their own book to finish the assignment. That way everyone in class works at their own level.



Aren't there different levels of classes any more? Like regular English, CP, AP or IB, etc? This no curriculum setup and everyone picking out their own booked based on level sounds more like the no child left behind madness.
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Posted - 09/20/2011 :  10:01:18 AM  Show Profile  Visit John Beagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

After reviewing some threads that were going off the 30 day list, I saw this one.

Was this more writing on the wall about the financial state of our school district?

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I sure hope not. I hope the books had not arrived yet is all.
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Viking[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by mebell[/i]
[br]You don't need a literature text the way the teach language arts now. My daughter said the teacher levels kids according to their reading level. They get to pick their own book from a classroom library. After the teacher teaches the lesson, each student uses their own book to finish the assignment. That way everyone in class works at their own level.



Aren't there different levels of classes any more? Like regular English, CP, AP or IB, etc? This no curriculum setup and everyone picking out their own booked based on level sounds more like the no child left behind madness.



There are levels of classes. Even when you separate kids into different levels of classes though, they still have sub-levels within those classrooms. I actually really like the way they do the Language Arts these days. It gives the kids power to excel without the rest of the classmates having an effect. Mine is in AP and loves the fact that he has the choice in some of his reading(they are still required to read some classics as a class).
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[br]After reviewing some threads that were going off the 30 day list, I saw this one.

Was this more writing on the wall about the financial state of our school district?



Nope, not at all. Books just weren't ordered on time to be here at the beginning of the school year.
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Flashback July 22, 2011: Monroe Local Schools needs to borrow approximately $1.4 Million to make payroll among other expenses according to Superintendent Libbie Lolli.

Don't we usually order textbooks in July for the upcoming school year?

Your probably right, this is just a coincidence that we ran out of money and school books were ordered late.


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quote:
[i]Originally posted by John Beagle[/i]
[br]After reviewing some threads that were going off the 30 day list, I saw this one.

Was this more writing on the wall about the financial state of our school district?



Nope, not at all. Books just weren't ordered on time to be here at the beginning of the school year.


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JMO mind you but...
I read an article in the paper about double dipping school officials in the state and Lolli was on the list...retired with full pension and then hired full time again.
I know this is legal and I am sure she chose the profession because of a love of education and children but....

Seems to me, if education is your passion...
Rather than have the already strapped taxpayers (those with and without children in school) scramble to sponsor books, papers, supplies, another tax levy, etc...a slight pay cut through the hard times would be a generous donation (designated strictly for those things) both honorable and appreciated.

I know double dipping is legal BUT really? When cuts have to be made and children are not getting the education they deserve and need because books are not available to all or paper for copies is not available - it seems like one person stepping up and setting an example for others to emulate would be the positive example children so need in order to respect and look up to authority....

again...just my opinion..
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