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Board mulls another tax levy
Monroe schools eyes a third way to fund, operate new elementary building.
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By Denise Wilson

Staff Writer

Tuesday, December 04, 2007

MONROE As the fast-growing Monroe Local Schools looks at ways to pay for and operate a proposed new school to house prekindergarten through fourth grade, its school board is keeping options open.

The board of education on Monday night during a special meeting passed a fourth resolution of necessity by a 4-1 vote to consider placing a 4.2-mill property tax on the March ballot that would raise $1.2 million a year to pay for operating a new school. Board member Michael Irwin dissented; he previously stated he felt the board should take its time before going back to the polls.
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Three resolutions of necessity also were recently approved by the board to help pay for the school. The other options under consideration are:

A 5.4-mill, $28 million bond issue.

An earned 0.5 percent income tax levy to raise $1.2 million annually for a new school.

Authority for the board to issue bonds for 28 years.

District Treasurer Kelley

Thorpe said passing the resolution allows the proposal to be certified by the state and Butler County Auditor's Office in time for the Dec. 20 deadline to place issues on the March primary ballot.

"This doesn't mean that you have to go ahead with this as a ballot issue," he said. "It just gives us more options to discuss."

The school board has scheduled a work session at 6 p.m. Dec. 13 to discuss what to place on the ballot.

The board plans to vote on which money issues to place before voters during its regular meeting at 7 p.m. Dec. 17.

Brenda Andreatta Wehmer, a bond attorney for the district's proposed bond issue with the Cincinnati law firm of Peck Shaffer, told the board the resolution is just the paperwork so the district has a possibility of having an operating levy either "at the same time as your bond issue or even combined as a single ballot question with your bond issue."

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So Instigator what are your thoughts on this article?
Hey Happy Hornet and others that are heart felt about the schools how do you feel that your taxes may increase yet again!
Can you afford to stay in Monroe?
If this passes I am pretty sure I will be out of here moving south towards Fairfield where I can afford to pay my taxes.

Mr.Irwin if you have anything to say we would like hear it because you seem to be the most honest man on the board right now.
You would think there could be other ways to fund this school? What about local business? The Mall or what about the casino? What about raising some of the money. I mean why do we need to keep digging deeper in our pocket books to pay for our schools. I agree the way schools are funded here in Ohio is a complete joke.

One last point from what I have read a few months that Madison Schools will be building a school and it will not cost the tax payers anymore money. How did that happen?

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Funny that Irwin abstained from voting AGAIN! Seems he does this quite a bit on anything important, that way he can say he had nothing to do with it.
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I will stand beside the board for a building but I just cant stand beside them for another operating levy... We barely passed the last one on the second try. :-(

NOTE: Any misspellings, incorrect case, verb usage, and/or sentence structure, although unintentional, are inserted within this statement with a purpose. It is my wish to appease those few people who need to find fault with anything nagging about small issues while overlooking the big picture!
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[i]Originally posted by blueblood[/i]
[br]11. Any important community discussion threads started must have the authors full name as a screen name or included in their profile.

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I'd second that, not that this is a democracy...

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11. Any important community discussion threads started must have the authors full name as a screen name or included in their profile.

Blue, this applies to you too.


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guess this thread is going bye-bye.

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Star_Rider[/i]
[br]guess this thread is going bye-bye.




Nope, I see he posted a name in his profile, under "bio."

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Thanks for the email verification Mr. Blue

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Mr.Blue[/i]
[br]So Instigator what are your thoughts on this article?
Hey Happy Hornet and others that are heart felt about the schools how do you feel that your taxes may increase yet again!
Can you afford to stay in Monroe?
If this passes I am pretty sure I will be out of here moving south towards Fairfield where I can afford to pay my taxes.

Mr.Irwin if you have anything to say we would like hear it because you seem to be the most honest man on the board right now.
You would think there could be other ways to fund this school? What about local business? The Mall or what about the casino? What about raising some of the money. I mean why do we need to keep digging deeper in our pocket books to pay for our schools. I agree the way schools are funded here in Ohio is a complete joke.

One last point from what I have read a few months that Madison Schools will be building a school and it will not cost the tax payers anymore money. How did that happen?



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They might as well just say the bond issue will be on the ballot instead of saying the board is thinking about it.
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[quote][i]Originally posted by slapshot[/i]
[br]Funny that Irwin abstained from voting AGAIN! Seems he does this quite a bit on anything important, that way he can say he had nothing to do with it.

He might a well abstain, he is fighting a lost cause
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True but he could at least make a stand.
Abstaining is the same as voting for it in my book. "the Chicken Sh_t vote."


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[br][quote][i]Originally posted by slapshot[/i]
[br]Funny that Irwin abstained from voting AGAIN! Seems he does this quite a bit on anything important, that way he can say he had nothing to do with it.

He might a well abstain, he is fighting a lost cause


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quote:
[i]Originally posted by slapshot[/i]
[br]Funny that Irwin abstained from voting AGAIN! Seems he does this quite a bit on anything important, that way he can say he had nothing to do with it.



Funny had he abstained instead of voted no then the paper would have read 4-0-1 meaning

4 voted yes
0 voted no
1 abstained

Since it read 4-1 that means he flat out voted no.

And I would have done the same. This will tank the Bond Issue.
Alot of people have worked for over a year on the need for the bond and now they have put all that work into the trash.

NOTE: Any misspellings, incorrect case, verb usage, and/or sentence structure, although unintentional, are inserted within this statement with a purpose. It is my wish to appease those few people who need to find fault with anything nagging about small issues while overlooking the big picture!
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I want to make sure I understand Cherie. You're fine with building a new building, but you don't want to be able to use that building since we won't have any money to operate it. that's the way I see it anyway. jmo

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by CherieGentry[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by slapshot[/i]
[br]Funny that Irwin abstained from voting AGAIN! Seems he does this quite a bit on anything important, that way he can say he had nothing to do with it.



Funny had he abstained instead of voted no then the paper would have read 4-0-1 meaning

4 voted yes
0 voted no
1 abstained

Since it read 4-1 that means he flat out voted no.



You know, you're making us assume that the Journal reported things as they actually happened.

That makes me chuckle.

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I apologize for my post. I am medicated fighting an upper respiratory infection, and I honestly read it as he abstained from voting. I re-read it and now see that he dissented. I am allowed one mistake a year. lol
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Mr.Blue[/i]
[br]So Instigator what are your thoughts on this article?
Hey Happy Hornet and others that are heart felt about the schools how do you feel that your taxes may increase yet again!
Can you afford to stay in Monroe?
If this passes I am pretty sure I will be out of here moving south towards Fairfield where I can afford to pay my taxes.

Mr.Irwin if you have anything to say we would like hear it because you seem to be the most honest man on the board right now.
You would think there could be other ways to fund this school? What about local business? The Mall or what about the casino? What about raising some of the money. I mean why do we need to keep digging deeper in our pocket books to pay for our schools. I agree the way schools are funded here in Ohio is a complete joke.

One last point from what I have read a few months that Madison Schools will be building a school and it will not cost the tax payers anymore money. How did that happen?

Yes Madison is getting a new Jr school. State funds are paying for it. I think they borrowed some money to build. Did not need a bond issue to build. The operating levy will be on the ballot and the bond issue in March. I hope people are ready to shell out the bucks. We need to get on the list for these funds that are available through the state. New Miami used these funds to build their school.
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by slapshot[/i]
[br]I apologize for my post. I am medicated fighting an upper respiratory infection, and I honestly read it as he abstained from voting. I re-read it and now see that he dissented. I am allowed one mistake a year. lol



That sucks. Sorry you're feeling bad. Didn't mean to give you a hard time. Hope you are seeing a dr. if you need to.
(i'm a nurse remember... i can't help feeling sympathic)
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Yes I am on antibiotics and also some eye drops for the conjunctivitis. Yeah I love this time of year, LOL
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Lets put an income tax on the ballot. This will make up for the 100% tax abatement's. I'm going to move my 15 year abatement is up.
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Instigator[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Mr.Blue[/i]
[br]So Instigator what are your thoughts on this article?
Hey Happy Hornet and others that are heart felt about the schools how do you feel that your taxes may increase yet again!
Can you afford to stay in Monroe?
If this passes I am pretty sure I will be out of here moving south towards Fairfield where I can afford to pay my taxes.

Mr.Irwin if you have anything to say we would like hear it because you seem to be the most honest man on the board right now.
You would think there could be other ways to fund this school? What about local business? The Mall or what about the casino? What about raising some of the money. I mean why do we need to keep digging deeper in our pocket books to pay for our schools. I agree the way schools are funded here in Ohio is a complete joke.

One last point from what I have read a few months that Madison Schools will be building a school and it will not cost the tax payers anymore money. How did that happen?

Yes Madison is getting a new Jr school. State funds are paying for it. I think they borrowed some money to build. Did not need a bond issue to build. The operating levy will be on the ballot and the bond issue in March. I hope people are ready to shell out the bucks. We need to get on the list for these funds that are available through the state. New Miami used these funds to build their school.

http://www.osfc.state.oh.us/news/news.html#NovDistricts
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Lets look at options before we increase our taxes. Here is one option.http://www.osfc.state.oh.us/news/news.html#NovDistricts
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I have and am still awaiting a reply.
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[i]Originally posted by murn89[/i]
[br]Yes it looks like Irwin "dissented" meaning he voted against it. Personally I agree with him. I have communicated with him via e-mail and he brings up several issues that should be considered prior to jumping into a bond issue. He sounds like a very honest and intelligent man and I was really impressed by what he said. True he doesn't post here but he responded promptly to my e-mailed questions and it was obvious he put a lot of thought into his answers. I suggest you contact him directly if you wonder why he voted no.


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OK, I said I would make the occasional exception to posting, here is one.

Regarding the spring ballot choices for a bond issue to build a primary school, and operating funding to run it, we have two choices. First do just the bond issue, then in 2010 have to do an operating issue to operate the building. By then of course the district will get hammered "you didn't tell us we were going to need operating money when we passed the bond issue". Second we can combine the two issues in a single vote, putting all costs up front, totally in the open, and get hammered for asking for money to operate a building that does not yet exist. For a recent example of this phenomena, see the various versions of "you didn't say you would need a follow on primary building when we passed the bond issue for the current school" We forget things very quickly.

Next, the bond issue for the primary school building is expected to be about 4 mills. BUT, in 2010, because of the planned current bond repayment schedule, bond tax rates drop over 2 mills, resulting in a net increase of bond taxes of just 1.92 mills vs today. 1.92 mills net will have our kids in a new primary building. That 2010 reduction in bond tax rates was planned, so that we would be able to afford a primary building then.

As for operating money, while the bond issue adds bricks and mortar, the additional operating money will be required, with or without the new building. We have to pay for all the things incoming new students require; teachers, cafeteria workers, buses, utilities, etc. All of these costs are driven by enrollment increases, new building or not. Even if we shove them in the old high school, the one we fought nearly a decade to to get out of, we will have operating costs with each new student. 6,000 new jobs in the mall and Vandercar are going to bring increasing enrollment. Bank on that one.

The OSFC (Ohio school facilities commission) ranks schools by districts' assessed tax value, and has provided some local districts funding. We applied for the current school, and were ranked near the end of their 612 long school district list. If/when we ultimately got money, it was to be just 12% of the building cost. Their rules of construction would have resulted in higher costs to Monroe than that, given the design 1,500 survey respondents said they wanted. We will look again for the primary school, as many other districts have since given up and the list is a bit shorter. But so is OSFC money. The prime building design for the primary school is generally compatible with OSFC rules. But no matter what, we will not get OFSC funds for many years, and if/when it comes it will be a low percentage of our costs.

Monroe Local Schools has the lowest operating cost per student in Butler County. We have made the cuts promised, and are operating at as low a cost per pupil as is reasonably possible, if we want quality education for our kids. More students are coming, and their education will have to be funded.

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quote:
[i]Originally posted by monroegardener[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by CherieGentry[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by slapshot[/i]
[br]Funny that Irwin abstained from voting AGAIN! Seems he does this quite a bit on anything important, that way he can say he had nothing to do with it.



Funny had he abstained instead of voted no then the paper would have read 4-0-1 meaning

4 voted yes
0 voted no
1 abstained

Since it read 4-1 that means he flat out voted no.



You know, you're making us assume that the Journal reported things as they actually happened.

That makes me chuckle.



No I did not assume anything I emailed Mr. Irwin and asked him if he voted no or if he abstained.

NOTE: Any misspellings, incorrect case, verb usage, and/or sentence structure, although unintentional, are inserted within this statement with a purpose. It is my wish to appease those few people who need to find fault with anything nagging about small issues while overlooking the big picture!
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Mindi Dishman[/i]
[br]I want to make sure I understand Cherie. You're fine with building a new building, but you don't want to be able to use that building since we won't have any money to operate it. that's the way I see it anyway. jmo



No! Wake up people. You dont even have a school yet! Once you get the bond approved and a school built I am saying that I dont want a continuous levy that never ends. I dont want a levy that will be wasted if the school bond does not pass. This is like trying to put the horse and the cart through the barn door side by side at the same time

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[br]OK, I said I would make the occasional exception to posting, here is one.

Regarding the spring ballot choices for a bond issue to build a primary school, and operating funding to run it, we have two choices. First do just the bond issue, then in 2010 have to do an operating issue to operate the building. By then of course the district will get hammered "you didn't tell us we were going to need operating money when we passed the bond issue". Second we can combine the two issues in a single vote, putting all costs up front, totally in the open, and get hammered for asking for money to operate a building that does not yet exist. For a recent example of this phenomena, see the various versions of "you didn't say you would need a follow on primary building when we passed the bond issue for the current school" We forget things very quickly.

Next, the bond issue for the primary school building is expected to be about 4 mills. BUT, in 2010, because of the planned current bond repayment schedule, bond tax rates drop over 2 mills, resulting in a net increase of bond taxes of just 1.92 mills vs today. 1.92 mills net will have our kids in a new primary building. That 2010 reduction in bond tax rates was planned, so that we would be able to afford a primary building then.

As for operating money, while the bond issue adds bricks and mortar, the additional operating money will be required, with or without the new building. We have to pay for all the things incoming new students require; teachers, cafeteria workers, buses, utilities, etc. All of these costs are driven by enrollment increases, new building or not. Even if we shove them in the old high school, the one we fought nearly a decade to to get out of, we will have operating costs with each new student. 6,000 new jobs in the mall and Vandercar are going to bring increasing enrollment. Bank on that one.

The OSFC (Ohio school facilities commission) ranks schools by districts' assessed tax value, and has provided some local districts funding. We applied for the current school, and were ranked near the end of their 612 long school district list. If/when we ultimately got money, it was to be just 12% of the building cost. Their rules of construction would have resulted in higher costs to Monroe than that, given the design 1,500 survey respondents said they wanted. We will look again for the primary school, as many other districts have since given up and the list is a bit shorter. But so is OSFC money. The prime building design for the primary school is generally compatible with OSFC rules. But no matter what, we will not get OFSC funds for many years, and if/when it comes it will be a low percentage of our costs.

Monroe Local Schools has the lowest operating cost per student in Butler County. We have made the cuts promised, and are operating at as low a cost per pupil as is reasonably possible, if we want quality education for our kids. More students are coming, and their education will have to be funded.

Tom I noticed that Butler Tech got some of that funding. What number are we on this list? We are not on that list are we Tom?Why have you not looked at this before now Tom? You can bank on this, these new taxes that you going to put on the ballot in March will not pass. Until you do what was done for BT don't even bring this to a vote.
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Tom I noticed that Butler Tech got some of that funding. What number are we on this list? We are not on that list are we Tom?Why have you not looked at this before now Tom? You can bank on this, these new taxes that you going to put on the ballot in March will not pass. Until you do what was done for BT don't even bring this to a vote.



Unfortunately, you can't compare the state's career technology districts like Butler Tech with local school districts. Their funding process at state level is entirely different, and for whatever reason, our legislature has been more generous to all aspects of career technology funding. This includes a separate and distinct facility funding list.

I believe this disparity was the root reason that the past year's TABOR constitutional efforts explicitly defined career technology schools like Butler Tech as not being public schools at all. IF that had been put on the November ballot and passed, every career technology district in the state, including Butler Tech would have simply and immediately been put out of existence.

As for not looking at OFSC funding, you are missing the mark again. We DID pursue OSFC funding when we built the current campus. Unfortunately, we were so far down on the state funding list, both in timing and ultimate cash that might have been someday available, it was not even worthy of spending taxpayer money to finish the application process. Just how much of your tax money do you want your district spending on fruitless paper exercises.

Our new superintendent, Dr. Lolli, has used successfully gotten OFSC funding, and I am absolutely sure she will pursue it for us. But we can't just sit and wait years for approval and state funding before taking local action. New students continue to arrive, and must have funding to support their education.

If you really want to make a positive impact on our local tax situation Instigator, your energy is sorely needed in convincing the legislature and governor to change Ohio's school funding structure.

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[br][quote][i]No! Wake up people. You dont even have a school yet! Once you get the bond approved and a school built I am saying that I dont want a continuous levy that never ends. I dont want a levy that will be wasted if the school bond does not pass. This is like trying to put the horse and the cart through the barn door side by side at the same time



Cherie, we already have three temporary funding issues, all emergency levies. Each of those three must be renewed every five years, so there are, and will remain, plenty of opportunities for voters to trim local taxes, should we choose to do so.

Because of these temporary funding issues, we already have to mount levy campaigns three times each five years just to renew existing funding. Adding another temporary levy will make that four times each five years. Just how often is it reasonable to force the voters over and over to the polls?

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[br][quote][i]No! Wake up people. You dont even have a school yet! Once you get the bond approved and a school built I am saying that I dont want a continuous levy that never ends. I dont want a levy that will be wasted if the school bond does not pass. This is like trying to put the horse and the cart through the barn door side by side at the same time



Cherie, we already have three temporary funding issues, all emergency levies. Each of those three must be renewed every five years, so there are, and will remain, plenty of opportunities for voters to trim local taxes, should we choose to do so.

Because of these temporary funding issues, we already have to mount levy campaigns three times each five years just to renew existing funding. Adding another temporary levy will make that four times each five years. Just how often is it reasonable to force the voters over and over to the polls?

I agree with Cherie. But, I think you should put the bond issue, tax levy and an income tax on the ballot in March.
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[i]Originally posted by Tom Birdwell[/i]
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[i]Originally posted by CherieGentry[/i]
[br][quote][i]No! Wake up people. You dont even have a school yet! Once you get the bond approved and a school built I am saying that I dont want a continuous levy that never ends. I dont want a levy that will be wasted if the school bond does not pass. This is like trying to put the horse and the cart through the barn door side by side at the same time



Cherie, we already have three temporary funding issues, all emergency levies. Each of those three must be renewed every five years, so there are, and will remain, plenty of opportunities for voters to trim local taxes, should we choose to do so.

Because of these temporary funding issues, we already have to mount levy campaigns three times each five years just to renew existing funding. Adding another temporary levy will make that four times each five years. Just how often is it reasonable to force the voters over and over to the polls?



Truth is if you want a permenant levy to replace the emergencies then wait till they are ending and instead of asking for a renewal place a new levy on. Because we all know when they end even if you get this $ you will want to renew for some reason or other. You can always find a way to spend someone elses money........

NOTE: Any misspellings, incorrect case, verb usage, and/or sentence structure, although unintentional, are inserted within this statement with a purpose. It is my wish to appease those few people who need to find fault with anything nagging about small issues while overlooking the big picture!
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[i]Originally posted by Instigator[/i]
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[i]Originally posted by Tom Birdwell[/i]
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[i]Originally posted by CherieGentry[/i]
[br][quote][i]No! Wake up people. You dont even have a school yet! Once you get the bond approved and a school built I am saying that I dont want a continuous levy that never ends. I dont want a levy that will be wasted if the school bond does not pass. This is like trying to put the horse and the cart through the barn door side by side at the same time



Cherie, we already have three temporary funding issues, all emergency levies. Each of those three must be renewed every five years, so there are, and will remain, plenty of opportunities for voters to trim local taxes, should we choose to do so.

Because of these temporary funding issues, we already have to mount levy campaigns three times each five years just to renew existing funding. Adding another temporary levy will make that four times each five years. Just how often is it reasonable to force the voters over and over to the polls?

I agree with Cherie. But, I think you should put the bond issue, tax levy and an income tax on the ballot in March.



Instigator,

could you post your thoughts on how we should fund a superior school system for our children?

Nature is ever at work building and pulling down, creating and destroying, keeping everything whirling and flowing, allowing no rest but in rhythmical motion, chasing everything in endless song out of one beautiful form into another. -John Muir, Naturalist and explorer (1838-1914)
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Bump. Waiting.

Nature is ever at work building and pulling down, creating and destroying, keeping everything whirling and flowing, allowing no rest but in rhythmical motion, chasing everything in endless song out of one beautiful form into another. -John Muir, Naturalist and explorer (1838-1914)
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[i]Originally posted by CherieGentry[/i]
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Truth is if you want a permenant levy to replace the emergencies then wait till they are ending and instead of asking for a renewal place a new levy on. Because we all know when they end even if you get this $ you will want to renew for some reason or other. You can always find a way to spend someone elses money........



Despite that common feeling in today's environment, the fact is that Monroe Local Schools has the LOWEST cost per student spending in Butler County. For some reason or another.

You are right Cherie. We will have to renew temporary levys as far out as I can see, because the operating funding need is permanent, not temporary, and always was. But just their renewal is not enough. With new students continuing to arrive in great numbers, we will absolutely need increased funding. This need is there, with or without a new building. None of us can stop the tide of new students, and with them, the matching requirement to add teachers, buses, books, desks, etc.

The reason we have three temporary funding measures today, was never because the needs were temporary, but because of the weirdness of the Ohio state school funding system, and the fact that if we hadn't used temporary emergency levys, we would have faced a cut in state funding, requiring even higher local taxes.

The only possible thing that could change Monroe's local school tax situation is a total overhaul of the Ohio state school funding system, adding significant additional state funding for education. Given that nearly 90% of the state's budget is already committed to medicaid, prisons, and schools, I just can't see how the legislature will find money to dramatically change the current system. In fact, I fear that if they make major changes, the impact on Monroe could be negative, not positive.

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Because we all know when they end even if you get this $ you will want to renew for some reason or other. You can always find a way to spend someone elses money........



"Can always find a way to spend someone else's money"? Come on Cherie, the members of the board pay the same tax rates as everyone else in the district, and it is just as painful. Like many many others in Monroe, I am on a fixed income, and mine has no COLA.

If the goal of the board was just to spend more public money, it could do that, with or without public approval. Any time an Ohio school board chooses, it can increase permanent taxes without public approval. This is just one more manifestation of our state's terribly flawed school funding system. Here is how it works.

With just two public forums/hearings, any board in Ohio can move part of its general fund millage to the district's permanent improvement fund. Say we moved 4 mills. That would drop our permanent general fund millage below the state's 20 mill minimum, to 16. Under Ohio Revised Code, automatically and immediately, the minimum required permanent funding base would be restored to 20 by the county auditor, and your taxes in total would increase 4 mills. Despite the term "permanent improvement fund", that money can be spent on anything lasting just 5 years, including a significant percentage of today's general fund spending.

Your board has never considered pursuing such an action, despite how tempting it might seem. Yes the district will push for an additional operating levy, but not "for some reason or other". Instead because it will be required to fund the ever increasing student numbers, if we are to maintain today's program offerings.

But just as it prepared to do in the summer of 2006, if the community chooses not to add operating funding proportionate to our growing student numbers, the district will follow the ultimate will of the community. That would require making draconian program cuts similar to those planned in 2006, if that Fall's levy had failed. These cuts would have ended high school busing, cancelled all extracurricular activities, significantly increased student to teacher ratios... and more. All with very negative impact on our students.

Given that it has worked the past three years to reach the lowest cost per student ratio in the county, I believe the district has earned a measure of public fiscal trust.

Tom Birdwell

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