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Tom B
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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  05:03:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit Tom B's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I have had five days to consider the voter rejection of the proposed bond issue, one that would have funded a new primary building to complete the district's master facilities plan.

It is clear to me that the voters of Monroe simply don't want their taxes increased. It is equally clear that our school district absolutely must increase its physical capacity, in order to meet the needs of an ever growing student population.

There seems only one option to meet the facility requirements of our growing student population, and yet still not require a large bond issue to be passed. That is to implement year-round schools.

Accordingly, I will be working to implement this approach in Monroe. There are many many versions of "year-round" schools, but I am referring to operating the buildings year round, with 1/4th of our students out of school at any given time. This increases our physical capacity by 25%, without passing a bond issue.

For this to work, students would have to be divided into four groups. During any given season, one group would be out of school. Yes, that means 1/4th of our students would be out of school in fall, winter, spring, and summer. But this is the only approach that adds capacity without spending large amounts of money to add classrooms.

I don't really like this solution, as it will literally wreak havoc on the traditional family summer vacation concept. But it is the only way I know of to increase our school's capacity without passing a bond issue. The voters have spoken, loudly, on their willingness to do so. I will work to meet their decision.

For those who believe the district didn't consider all options before proposing the bond issue... well you are wrong. We did. I will continue to keep an open mind on our situation. But I am yet to hear anyone offer a solution that was not evaluated and fairly considered. The simple fact is that there is no cheap way out of our situation, except year round schools.

For all who voted Tuesday, for or against the bond issue, thank you for considering the issue, and for voting. Together, we will get through this.

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Tom,

I must contest your supposition that Monroe's student population is "ever growing" please show us the statistics that shows that the enrollment will be greater than the current student load. To threaten a "year round" approach seems to me to be a short sighted solution to a short term problem (if there even IS one).

The models that I have seen shows that the population growth in Monroe is 50% higher than the actuals and is by no means greater than the TOTAL capacity of our available campuses. We can certainly utilize our resources to a achieve a more efficient ROI than we are currently seeing. We currently have configured space that is not being utilized (trailers at the old school), opportunity for converting expandable space (auxiliary gyms), as well as configuring the Master Plan to add an additional wing onto the existing school that will be FAR and away more cost effective than (A) a new school building and (B) proposing year-round schooling.

I think this idea that you are proposing is dangerous and short sighted.

There are far better options to consider if the board does what the board was elected to do; to find ingenious solutions to complicated issues. Find the options, dig a little deeper, sharpen your pencils, be more flexible, find better ways to fulfill your state mandates outside the box, and do more with the money that you have been given by the taxpayers.

Just off the top of my head I can think of a number of things that might help get additional money for our district; actively recruit the usage of our athletic facilities for non-district purposes - this will bring in more money. Bake Sales, raffles, Casino Nights, etc. are all fantastic ways of boosting income.

Think harder, think smarter, think something other than asking Mary and John Q. Public for MORE money. They don't see a realistic need for ANOTHER school.
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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  08:30:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I'm not one for scare tactics. But if this is something you are seriously considering, is it possible with the next election to give the public this year round school concept OR pass the levy?

I'm being selfish, but I work in the schools (elsewhere) and get to be a stay at home mom all summer. It's the only thing that keeps me going through the school year, knowing that I will get to spend oodles of time with my babies through the summer. I can't imagine paying daycare all Fall, for instance, and then sitting on my bum all summer while my babies are in school.
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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  09:09:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I'd like to see a model for the year round schooling. I have friends in other states that do this and they love it. Their kids keep learning instead of having a huge review session every fall.
I'm excited that the school board is looking at different options instead of just putting the levy back on the ballot. Thank you.
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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  09:34:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Traditional year round school is one thing. Typically this follows a 9 weeks in 3 weeks off schedule. Something like that. What Tom is proposing is quite another. He's talking about the same traditional model we use now of basically 9.5 months in session and 2.5 months off, just as we have now, but not following the traditional school calendar. They would still be getting a huge block of time off thus resulting in the need for review.
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First of all, why do we not verify addresses. That will definitely tell us what Monroe's true numbers are. We should have to show proof of residence at least yearly, if not twice a year. If we have people that don't live in the district, we need to get them out, then have accurate numbers. I know this would be a require extra effort, but it needs to be done. This needs to be done in the elementary, junior high, and high school.
From my understanding we have high school classes with less than 10 children in a class.
I also don't understand why we can't convert the junior high gym into 8 classrooms as it was discussed in ALL the tours and the meetings when the new school was built. That would buy us some extra time, as well as verifying residence.
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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  09:57:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I like the idea of verifying the resident of the school district. Having tax return with deductions listed for each student in the district would be one way. they would have ot show tax records for the children in the district. In custody cases the parent with custody would have the right of the school district. In shared parenting most parents try to live in the same school district.

Proof can be provided yearly when the student signs up for classes /school. This seems to me to be a common sense approach.

Any one care to comment on the current process or how we can improve it?

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Tracy I think you have a good idea there, I suspect there my be a few not entitled to OE but using a relative's address in order to be enroled in our schools. If Sunshine suspects this she looks into it as best they can, I know they have found some in the past and have been removed from Monroe.
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Interesting concept.
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[i]Originally posted by Tom Birdwell[/i]
[br]I have had five days to consider the voter rejection of the proposed bond issue, one that would have funded a new primary building to complete the district's master facilities plan.

It is clear to me that the voters of Monroe simply don't want their taxes increased. It is equally clear that our school district absolutely must increase its physical capacity, in order to meet the needs of an ever growing student population.

There seems only one option to meet the facility requirements of our growing student population, and yet still not require a large bond issue to be passed. That is to implement year-round schools.

Accordingly, I will be working to implement this approach in Monroe. There are many many versions of "year-round" schools, but I am referring to operating the buildings year round, with 1/4th of our students out of school at any given time. This increases our physical capacity by 25%, without passing a bond issue.

For this to work, students would have to be divided into four groups. During any given season, one group would be out of school. Yes, that means 1/4th of our students would be out of school in fall, winter, spring, and summer. But this is the only approach that adds capacity without spending large amounts of money to add classrooms.

I don't really like this solution, as it will literally wreak havoc on the traditional family summer vacation concept. But it is the only way I know of to increase our school's capacity without passing a bond issue. The voters have spoken, loudly, on their willingness to do so. I will work to meet their decision.

For those who believe the district didn't consider all options before proposing the bond issue... well you are wrong. We did. I will continue to keep an open mind on our situation. But I am yet to hear anyone offer a solution that was not evaluated and fairly considered. The simple fact is that there is no cheap way out of our situation, except year round schools.

For all who voted Tuesday, for or against the bond issue, thank you for considering the issue, and for voting. Together, we will get through this.


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I am all for people having to prove their residencey. But what Tom is describing sounds like a scare tactic. Just because the voters did not approve the bond issue, lets threaten with no "summer vacation". That is not how all year round schooling works.

I agree with the Dr., think outside the box. If you need money, raise in a way that appeals to all, instead of forcing people to give. It is all in the presentation. You can offer me a ribeye steak with mushroom and onions on a plate or you can offer it on a garbage can lid. Presentation. which one would you chose?

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Just curious, if 1/4 of our students are off at different times of the year, how does that affect sports and other school activities (school clubs, band, etc)?

The kids that want to partipate, but are not in school at that given sport season will need to practice during their time off?

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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  1:45:39 PM  Show Profile  Send Bob Kelley an AOL message  Send Bob Kelley a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

LOL, you say that like it does not happen now.
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[br]Just curious, if 1/4 of our students are off at different times of the year, how does that affect sports and other school activities (school clubs, band, etc)?

The kids that want to partipate, but are not in school at that given sport season will need to practice during their time off?




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I only that the football team practices in the summer, but not sure about other sports (or really care - JK!!!)

I would think they would try to keep all of the kids in one family on the same schedule, but possibly members of the same sports, band or clubs as well?

I just think parents with students in school should make this decision and not someone who will not be affected.

But I, like many other parents, are open to options - as long as they are in the best interest of the students and their families.

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[br]LOL, you say that like it does not happen now. [quote][i]

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[br]I'm not one for scare tactics. But if this is something you are seriously considering, is it possible with the next election to give the public this year round school concept OR pass the levy?



I am serious in believing this is the path for us. I see several believe I am being negative, but I am pretty positive about it after giving it a lot of thought. Here is why.

1) People have made it very clear that they can't afford a tax increase in this economy. We already are going to have to have some sort of one just to meet the operations budget with increasing enrollment. I don't know how much, or when, but it has to happen. I just can't see putting another bond issue up till the economy improves. And we will not see any significant increase in business taxes for many years. And if the choice becomes year round schools, or increasing student teacher ratios beyond today's level because of budget constraints, I have to go with it.

2) We have and are continuing to see strong enrollment growth. Even is nobody else moves in, there is a heck of a crop of pre kindergarden aged kids that we will have to house and educate. Nobody else has to move to Monroe for our enrollment to continue to increase.

3) A large number of people have demanded that the old high school be torn down. I certainly can't see the logic in spending considerable money to refurbish or upgrade it. I would rather wait for when we can pass a bond issue.

There is one, and only one alternative that meets these three constraints. That is using our facilities year round, and taking advantage of the 25% "free" increase in capacity it will bring.

Note, this is my view, not that of the board. But it is one that I will try to sell to them. As I said, I don't like it the idea of year round schools, because it will most certainly disrupt families. But still it remains the only alternative that meets the three constraints above. Many districts have implemented this form of year round schools. It works educationally. It saves money. It is an alternative to a bond issue that so many demanded we seek out.

I really think it can work for us, and avoid the increase in taxes a bond issue would require. I feel pretty good about it educationally and fiscally. But I agree that the family side is a problem.

Now as for your question, can people seek a different solution? Absolutely. And if we can find one, I will go for it.

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What ever happened to the 8 rooms we could make from the junior high gym? Why isn't that an option? I understand we have a lot of growth. Which we need solutions.But why won't you comment about the verifying Monroe residents? I know the only time we have done it, is when you sign up for kindergarten.This needs to be done yearly at a minimum. I hate to keep bringing it up, but we have not had anybody respond to why we don't do this.
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[br]Tom,

I must contest your supposition that Monroe's student population is "ever growing" please show us the statistics that shows that the enrollment will be greater than the current student load. To threaten a "year round" approach seems to me to be a short sighted solution to a short term problem (if there even IS one).


Population growth is not going to be a short term problem. We are adding 6,000 jobs to our city's east end. How can that possibly not result in population increase? Also, we have a heck of a crop of pre-kindergarten kids already here and in the wings. Growth is going to happen.
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The models that I have seen shows that the population growth in Monroe is 50% higher than the actuals and is by no means greater than the TOTAL capacity of our available campuses. We can certainly utilize our resources to a achieve a more efficient ROI than we are currently seeing. We currently have configured space that is not being utilized (trailers at the old school), opportunity for converting expandable space (auxiliary gyms), as well as configuring the Master Plan to add an additional wing onto the existing school that will be FAR and away more cost effective than (A) a new school building and (B) proposing year-round schooling.


At current elementary growth rates, we will be out of space in the old elementary school by 2011, including use of the modular classrooms. Steve, absolutely no alternative is cheaper than going to year round schools. That is why schools take up the approach. Any other plan will require passage of a bond issue. Maybe not as large a one as just proposed, but one nonetheless.
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I think this idea that you are proposing is dangerous and short sighted. There are far better options to consider if the board does what the board was elected to do; to find ingenious solutions to complicated issues. Find the options, dig a little deeper, sharpen your pencils, be more flexible, find better ways to fulfill your state mandates outside the box, and do more with the money that you have been given by the taxpayers.


Doing more with the money given us by the taxpayers is EXACTLY the reason districts move to year round schools Steve. Nothing else increases our capacity by 25% without spending a nickel on facilities.
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Think harder, think smarter, think something other than asking Mary and John Q. Public for MORE money. They don't see a realistic need for ANOTHER school.



Steve, that is precisely the reason I believe year round schools to be a good solution. We gain 25% capacity increase without asking for a single penny. I really did wake up after the bond election results. I don't want to ask Mary and John for more money, when there is a solution that does not require it. This was one of the options considered previously. Frankly I rejected it because I believed we could pass the bond issue. But the more I think about it, the better it sounds.

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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  2:50:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sports Mom's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I am not sure how they handle it now, but when we were moving into the district in 2005 we had to show our contract with the builder since our house was not going to be complete until December and we wanted the kids to start school at Monroe in the fall.

When then had to show proof that we closed on our home and that we did in fact live in the district.

I do agree with you4rkids - we need to verify at least every year because I've heard of families who use their ex's, parents or other relatives' addresses just to keep their kids at Monroe.

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I hate to keep bringing it up, but we have not had anybody respond to why we don't do this.

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[br]First of all, why do we not verify addresses. That will definitely tell us what Monroe's true numbers are. We should have to show proof of residence at least yearly, if not twice a year. If we have people that don't live in the district, we need to get them out, then have accurate numbers. I know this would be a require extra effort, but it needs to be done. This needs to be done in the elementary, junior high, and high school.
From my understanding we have high school classes with less than 10 children in a class.
I also don't understand why we can't convert the junior high gym into 8 classrooms as it was discussed in ALL the tours and the meetings when the new school was built. That would buy us some extra time, as well as verifying residence.



I agree. Real numbers are a start and twice a year verification is appropriate. To some it sounds mean, but Monroe citizens want their kids in the best space possible. How can we deny them? I'm not necessarily for or against OE (I can see the positive side) but if even 1 Monroe taxpayers child will be put in a modular, then something needs to be done. We moved from Middletown to be on our own - now let's look out for our own. If I can help verify residences, let me know how.

Another option: let's get the Admin staff out of the Primary and open up that space. Move them to that wonderful, still usable High School.

What's so wrong with student/teacher ratios of 28-30 to 1? It takes a LOT of extra classroom space & more teachers to fulfil the 20-1 dream. Is it all that effective in the long run?

As for year round school, I'd like to learn more before I decide.
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[br]First of all, why do we not verify addresses. That will definitely tell us what Monroe's true numbers are. We should have to show proof of residence at least yearly, if not twice a year. If we have people that don't live in the district, we need to get them out, then have accurate numbers. I know this would be a require extra effort, but it needs to be done.


I agree that it needs to be done, and will push for it. But I don't believe it will yield numbers large enough to solve any of our growth issues. But any help is good help.

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Buckeynut...I teach and trust me 20/1 vs. 30/1 makes a huge difference. Sorry to jump on this one statement but I was a little shocked that you would ask if class sizes makes a difference. It makes a very big difference! Students are plugged in, part of the classroom community, they develop a voice in discussion, I could go on and on...

My first year teaching I had 35 students in three classes. It was very difficult for myself and the students. I would encourage anyone who feels that 25 plus students in a class is ideal to try it out themselves.
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[br]I am all for people having to prove their residencey. But what Tom is describing sounds like a scare tactic. Just because the voters did not approve the bond issue, lets threaten with no "summer vacation". That is not how all year round schooling works.


If you take it as a threat or scare tactic to pass a bond issue, then you are missing my point entirely. I am proposing this as a way to avoid putting another bond issue on the ballot at all.
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I agree with the Dr., think outside the box. If you need money, raise in a way that appeals to all, instead of forcing people to give. It is all in the presentation. You can offer me a ribeye steak with mushroom and onions on a plate or you can offer it on a garbage can lid. Presentation. which one would you chose?



Think outside the box? Proposing year round schools, getting a 25% increase in capacity at absolutely no cost to taxpayers is pretty far out of the box judging by the reaction here. In fact it sounds too far out of the box for many.

This idea may not fly with the board or community. But I really believe people are strapped, and that any tax increase will be difficult or impossible for many. How many people said they would have to move out of Monroe if taxes went up. I can't just ignore that.

Presentation is important, and we didn't do well enough at it last time around. But it does not and can not change people's ability to pay taxes. Our tax rates are very high, because of our population density, and low business ratio. That is going to get worse, at least until the large abatements expire in 15 years.

The huge outcry during the bond campaign was for us to find a way to get capacity without a tax increase. I am taking that seriously.

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[br]Just curious, if 1/4 of our students are off at different times of the year, how does that affect sports and other school activities (school clubs, band, etc)?

The kids that want to partipate, but are not in school at that given sport season will need to practice during their time off?



That is clearly one of the challenges. I said from the get-go that the family issues are the problem here, and that is a fact. But other schools have faced it and succeeded. Will this fly? I don't know. I may get run out of town on a rail. But I took you all seriously when you asked for an alternative to a tax increase. You were serious, right?

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[br]Buckeynut...I teach and trust me 20/1 vs. 30/1 makes a huge difference. Sorry to jump on this one statement but I was a little shocked that you would ask if class sizes makes a difference. It makes a very big difference! Students are plugged in, part of the classroom community, they develop a voice in discussion, I could go on and on...

My first year teaching I had 35 students in three classes. It was very difficult for myself and the students. I would encourage anyone who feels that 25 plus students in a class is ideal to try it out themselves.



Couldn't agree more...It is really hard to have an effective learning environment with classes bigger than 25. One teacher in a large classroom (greater than 25)cannot help all those kids effectively. It is not fair to the students.
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Absolutely, we were serious... I know there will be many questions and challenges no matter what ideas are brought to the table.

I am open to different ideas for solutions. Obviously, you are looking for alternate ways to resolve these issues. That is WHAT we are asking for - so no need to "run you out of town". (Just yet anyway)

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That is clearly one of the challenges. I said from the get-go that the family issues are the problem here, and that is a fact. But other schools have faced it and succeeded. Will this fly? I don't know. I may get run out of town on a rail. But I took you all seriously when you asked for an alternative to a tax increase. You were serious, right?

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We were asked to vote on a revised year round schedule in the district where I work. It was shot down BIGTIME. But then again our buildings also don't have AC.
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This idea may not fly with the board or community. But I really believe people are strapped, and that any tax increase will be difficult or impossible for many. How many people said they would have to move out of Monroe if taxes went up. I can't just ignore that.

The huge outcry during the bond campaign was for us to find a way to get capacity without a tax increase. I am taking that seriously.




I can appreciate this and I truly feel you have our best interest at heart here. I just see this as being disastrous for family life.

I know 20:1 student/teacher ratio is far better than 30:1, however if my options were 30:1 vs. THIS particular model of year round school, I vote for 30:1 ratio.
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This is a scare tactic so people will vote for something they don't believe is needed. There are many ideas out there that are not being considered. I was hoping that the school board would not go this route but they have. If this is all they got to offer then go to year round school. Dr Fink for school board.
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Do we remember when the old elementary school housed k-6 grades? We could put some money in the elementary school have k-6 grades in that building and only have local neighborhood's attend that school. This is the way it was when part of Monroe went to Amanda. This gives us more room at the new school on the hill. So you would have k-6 in both buildings. If you believe that you would use more teachers, your not. Same amount of students in the district. Buses would only pick up kids going to one or the other school. Right now we are paying for a principle for preschool -k. What is preschool, I believe its for babysitting purposes only and should be discontinued. Why is this option not being looked at, because they want a new building.
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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  4:26:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit Tom B's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[i]Originally posted by Instigator[/i]
[br]This is a scare tactic so people will vote for something they don't believe is needed. There are many ideas out there that are not being considered. I was hoping that the school board would not go this route but they have. If this is all they got to offer then go to year round school. Dr Fink for school board.



Instigator, exactly when am I supposed to raise this idea. If I had mentioned it before the bond vote, I can understand how some might view it as a scare tactic. But since I am doing it now, and stating openly that I view it as an alternative to even having another bond levy campaign at all, exactly who am I trying to scare?

Also, I am not the school board, nor am I the czar of education. I am one person, with an idea. I am sure there will be others. I hope so.

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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  4:31:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

I wonder if year around schoolswould get more parents to home school there children.

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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  4:39:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[br]I wonder if year around schoolswould get more parents to home school there children.



Homeschooling is almost a full time job. I would think if they were going to do that, they would be already, but there could be some.

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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  4:49:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit Tom B's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[br]Do we remember when the old elementary school housed k-6 grades? We could put some money in the elementary school have k-6 grades in that building and only have local neighborhood's attend that school. This is the way it was when part of Monroe went to Amanda. This gives us more room at the new school on the hill. So you would have k-6 in both buildings.


That will work for a couple of years, when it too will be full. That was why we put the bond issue on now, so a building could be built by then. But it does not work any better than the present plan, which is to fill the building as enrollment grows, with early primary students. With respect to the "some money" part, the OSFC estimate of the cost to refurbish the building was 80% of the price of a new school. We are not talking pocket change here.
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If you believe that you would use more teachers, your not. Same amount of students in the district.


The whole point of adding a new building was that we will have more students. If we add kids we have to add teachers, buses, etc. That is completely out of any of our control. And we are going to have to pay for it.
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Right now we are paying for a principle for preschool -k. What is preschool, I believe its for babysitting purposes only and should be discontinued.


We are NOT paying for a principal for preschool-K. She is still also doing her old job, of curriculum development for elementary. She got a fancy title, some additional work, and that is about it.

We don't have a choice about pre-school. Federal law mandates that we provide this service for disadvantaged students. We either have to provide the service, or pay for it.
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Why is this option not being looked at, because they want a new building.


Which part of my "no new building needed with this concept" is unclear to you?

What you propose will not help us in capacity any more than the present plan, which is to make that building an early primary school, adding a grade or two per year there, as required by our increasing student numbers. That building will take us a few years, but no longer.

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[i]Originally posted by blueblood[/i]
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[i]Originally posted by Tracy[/i]
[br]I wonder if year around schoolswould get more parents to home school there children.



Homeschooling is almost a full time job. I would think if they were going to do that, they would be already, but there could be some.



I agree, the people who home school, do it for serious reasons. I can't imagine our kids (or alternately their mother) having survived it actually. I am in awe of those who are able to make it work.

Off topic a bit, but did anyone notice the California Surpreme Court ruled Friday that all home schooled kids must be taught by a certified teacher? This will eliminate a huge percentage of home schooling there, and I am sure the ruling will spread to other states soon. It made the teacher's union happy obviously, but I am not sure many others are.

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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  4:57:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

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[br][quote][i]Originally posted by Instigator[/i]
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Right now we are paying for a principle for preschool -k. What is preschool, I believe its for babysitting purposes only and should be discontinued.


We are NOT paying for a principal for preschool-K. She is still also doing her old job, of curriculum development for elementary. She got a fancy title, some additional work, and that is about it.

We don't have a choice about pre-school. Federal law mandates that we provide this service for disadvantaged students. We either have to provide the service, or pay for it.
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Socialism at its finest. So we are paying for babysitters mandated by the feds.

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[br]. What is preschool, I believe its for babysitting purposes only and should be discontinued.



We have a wonderful preschool program in Monroe. I suppose if you had a special needs child who was benefiting from all of the wonderful services your child was receiving through this program you would have a different opinion! It's not for babysitting purposes! We pay for "babysitting" outside of preschool since it's only a partial day. It's to the school systems advantage to get these kids ready for kindergarten early.
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Year Round??? Divided in groups??? Are siblings in the same groups???

What is the amount this will save the district since there will be increased overhead expenses from salary, electric, buses, fuel, food during the summer months that would normally be vacant. May just be me but I do not see the savings being that big of a difference. As for year round schools and risking my children being in the winter off group that would be something that would make me consider moving to another district.

Ohio seriously needs to evaluate what it is doing WRONG with school funding. There was a thing on the new that said something like 88 of 110 (not sure of exact) school levies on the ballot failed. Not gonna get any better in November. Economy is tough and people are strapped as it is, more taxes are something people can't swallow even if it is the best thing for their kids education.
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I am with you TDaddy -- this is something that would make me conisder moving to another district also!!
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Just a few quick thoughts here. I'm in hopes that other options are being looked at also. With the discussion of the many houses that are empty and/or for sale, I think the homes for sale with be alot more. People will simply relocate. Have you thought of all areas of this proposal? I'm thinking of all the parents who will have to restructure their lives to accomodate their child being off school when it's not during the summer. Not to mention the "time off" schedule (1/4 of kids off at various times) for those who have family or the other parent that lives out of state. When families move, your overcrowding issue will probably resolve itself, which is unfortunate. I guess the thing to do is put it on the ballot and let the people voice their opinion. In the meantime my family will be looking at other options also.
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Posted - 03/09/2008 :  6:26:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sports Mom's Homepage  Reply with Quote Report Abuse

Before everyone starts to panic, please note that Tom stated this is "his view" and not the board's.

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Note, this is my view, not that of the board. But it is one that I will try to sell to them.

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Yeah, but...I gonna panic anyway, k?
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Tom is getting pummeled here for this idea, but outside of "don't worry it will take care of itself", I haven't heard any other workable solutions!!!!!!

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